# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 444
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8886 "2021-01-14T22:50:22Z")
He _better_ not try to cart off the Resolute Desk. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8887 "2021-01-15T01:19:02Z")
😃 Who wants ice cream? [![](https://i.ibb.co/C5j9nbL/IMG-9163.jpg) ](https://i.ibb.co/C5j9nbL/IMG-9163.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8888 "2021-01-15T01:23:56Z")
That’s excellent! I could never eat that, though. Any food item that has DumbDonald’s picture on it HAS to be rancid and poisonous. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8889 "2021-01-15T02:04:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … I’ve heard this story mentioned–in an ‘await further developments’ context–on NPR, on Chris Hayes’ show, and on CNN and MSNBC shows I was flipping around through, this afternoon. > In other words, it appears to be credible enough that it’s being investigated. > Jerry Nadler referred to it on the House floor today. This was the news that House members, and/or their staff members, had been giving “tours” to unknown persons in recent days—this though there have been NO tours given in the Capitol for months, due to COVID-19. Here’s the Nadler quote, and a 2-minute video of the part of his speech in which he made it (it’s near the end). > [@](#): > > Madam Speaker, I have faith in the resiliency of our government. We will bring the rioters to justice. **Their accomplices in this house will be held responsible.** > Here’s an NPR story on the allegation: > **[Rep. Tim Ryan: Probe Underway On Whether Members Gave Capitol Tours To Rioters](https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/13/956426253/rep-tim-ryan-probe-under-way-on-whether-members-gave-capitol-tours-to-rioters)** > > The Ohio Democrat says investigators are looking into whether "potentially members of Congress" gave tours to pro-Trump rioters prior to the breach of the U.S. Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8890 "2021-01-15T02:07:23Z")
I’m goin with “The wern’t rioters when we gave them the tour so it don’t count, like Trump votes don’t count!” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8891 "2021-01-15T02:27:18Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m goin with “The wern’t rioters when we gave them the tour so it don’t count, like Trump votes don’t count!” . Someday we’ll no longer need a facility with Trumpian/White-Supremacist “logic.” We won’t automatically anticipate what they will say to explain away obvious outrages. Or at least, I can dream it will someday be so. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8892 "2021-01-15T03:32:38Z")
[Fact check: Trump loses several perks only with impeachment conviction by Jan. 20](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-trump-loses-several-perks-only-with-impeachment-conviction-by-jan-20/ar-BB1cLyaY?li=BBnb7Kz) > "And, if he is successfully impeached (found GUILTY), he loses giving two aids (his kids) one million each for a yearly travel allowance, and loses his wife’s yearly travel allowance of half a million a year, and loses years of paid rent, and a furniture allowance, for a personal office, the fuck??? Why would any former President get this anyway??? For his ‘aides’??? Some please tell me this is not real. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8893 "2021-01-15T04:09:07Z")
[![](https://miro.medium.com/max/634/1*LfiMZUanaiUaiZMVHfhWbA.jpeg) ](https://miro.medium.com/max/634/1*LfiMZUanaiUaiZMVHfhWbA.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8894 "2021-01-15T04:27:46Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > the fuck??? Why would any former President get this anyway??? For his ‘aides’??? Some please tell me this is not real. That’s kind of garbled. He gets an annual allowance of up to $1 million for himself and up to two aides, and a half million for his wife. But it’s only for travel related to his former capacity as president, not for leisure travel - maybe due to service on some international committee or as an unofficial ambassador. And most former presidents have used very little of the fund. Of course, you can be sure that Trump would use it for all it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8895 "2021-01-15T05:54:35Z")
Huh. The one I saw was “im peach mint” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8896 "2021-01-15T05:58:45Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > He could at least give him bus fare. > > You have to pay a fare when you’re _under_ the bus? [June Wheeler in _Night Court_, lamenting that her grandmother was run over by a train] The train company was very sympathetic. Didn’t even charge her for the ride. [/June Wheeler, all that stuff I typed above] ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8897 "2021-01-15T06:01:39Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > But it’s only for travel related to his former capacity as president, not for leisure travel - maybe due to service on some international committee or as an unofficial ambassador. The idea that any organization anywhere in the world would ever want to be officially associated with Trump in his ex-POTUS capacity sounds far-fetched to me. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8898 "2021-01-15T06:10:41Z")
In his capacity as a superb dealmaker, Trump may be able to scrounge an income by getting countries and organizations to pay him to stay away. Although he won’t get much leverage out of that if he’s in jail and not really free to travel anyway. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8899 "2021-01-15T13:48:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > They are not being subtle about it > > ([Abraham Lincoln Bust Carried Out of White House](https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/14/abraham-lincoln-bust-removed-white-house-president-honest-abe/)) > > ### [Abraham Lincoln Bust Carried Out of White House](https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/14/abraham-lincoln-bust-removed-white-house-president-honest-abe/) > > The White House removed a bust of Abraham Lincoln, carrying it out a side door at the West Wing. > > the looting has begun. > > “Stop the Steal!” has a whole new meaning. Does anyone know which piece of art this is? There are people obsessed by every thing there is. SOMEONE must know about the art displayed in the White House (even though I understand there’s a vast reservoir outside the WH to supplement it. But if it spent any time there, some WH-obsessed Geek will know the details) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8900 "2021-01-15T13:56:02Z")
Here it is – it’s a pretty famous piece, by sculptor Gutzon Borglum (the guy who gave us Mt. Rushmore, and also that symbol of the Confederacy, Stone Mountain) Apparently they have no word about who took it or where it is – although they ought to be easy to find. > [@](#): > > A bronze bust of Lincoln, by the American sculptor Gutzon Borglum, has a prime spot atop a stone pillar in the East Garden Room, where it can be seen by visitors entering the East Wing. > **[White House doesn't know what happened to Lincoln bust](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1164524)** > > White House officials don’t know what happened to a bust of Abraham Lincoln spotted being removed from the West Wing on Thursday, as departing staffers were seen taking home mementos of their time working at America’s most famous address. The moment... > [@](#): > > Three staffers were seen on C-Span leaving the West Wing on Thursday afternoon, one of which was carrying a bust of Abraham Lincoln that was due to be returned to a museum. I hope it does get returned to the museum. But moving it out with the Trump’s private effects doesn’t have a good vibe. > **[Moving Trucks at the White House, Abe Lincoln Bust Removed](https://www.mediaite.com/news/photos-moving-day-at-the-white-house-with-six-days-left-in-trumps-term/)** > > Moving Trucks at the White House, Abraham Lincoln Bust Removed ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8901 "2021-01-15T14:00:13Z")
Suspicious minds > **['Stolen' Bust of Abraham Lincoln to End Up on eBay? Speculations After Trump...](https://www.ibtimes.sg/stolen-bust-abraham-lincoln-end-ebay-speculations-after-trump-staffers-remove-wh-artefact-54910)** > > Trade adviser Peter Navarro was also spotted removing a photograph of President Trump's summit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8902 "2021-01-15T15:16:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Huh. The one I saw was “im peach mint” One of them must be for the first one. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8903 "2021-01-15T15:23:35Z")
Lies, lies, lies and more lies. The lyin’-ist administration EVER. > **[Vaccine reserve was exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/)** > > States were anticipating a windfall after federal officials said they would stop holding back second doses. But the policy had already changed, and no stockpile exists. > _States were anticipating a windfall after federal officials said they would stop holding back second doses. But the approach had already changed, and no stockpile exists._ > … > When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar [announced this week](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans. The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available beginning at the end of December, taking second doses directly off the manufacturing line. > > Now, health officials across the country who had anticipated their extremely limited vaccine supply as much as doubling beginning next week are confronting the reality that their allocations will not immediately increase, dashing hopes of dramatically expanding eligibility for millions of elderly people and those with high-risk medical conditions. Health officials in some cities and states were informed in recent days about the reality of the situation, while others are still in the dark. > … ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8904 "2021-01-15T15:24:57Z")
There is _a_ stockpile. Trouble is, it’s full of lies. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8905 "2021-01-15T15:26:54Z")
Is this going to be one of those things like Capone doing down for tax evasion? Trump gets away with outrageous corruption, kills hundreds of thousand of Americans by failing to respond to a pandemic, attacks the Capitol in a ham-fisted coup attempt - but goes down because it turns out he ordered someone to steal a bust of Lincoln from the White House? The penalties for stealing government property become quite severe as the value of the property increases. This must surely be government property? We’ll probably find out it was just being moved for safe keeping prior to the cleaning, but knowing Trump you wouldn’t put it past him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=443) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=445)