# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 453
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9066 "2021-01-19T15:49:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah, presidents who aren’t insecure jerks who need all the pomp and trappings to boost their fragile, Hindenburg-esque egos. (And you know what happened to the Hindenburg.) I pictured the scenario: Angel One has to set down shortly after takeoff in Greensboro NC due to the plane having “technical issues”. They bring in some technicians to working on the vexation, which takes them 2 hours to fix. At that point, they tell him that it is 12:30, and they have orders to return to Washington, so get off the plane – there will be an Amtrak on Friday, that will take you to Raleigh where you can get a train to West Palm Beach that will get you there on Saturday afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9067 "2021-01-19T16:00:07Z")
[Cabin Pressure (radio series) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_(radio_series)) or just have the crew from cabin pressure take over… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9068 "2021-01-19T16:04:43Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > imagine what could have been done if Biden had taken over on November 4th. Um, if we had declared a winner on November 4th, wouldn’t that have been Trump? I’m pretty sure he was ahead in PA, GA, and AZ at that time… And, BTW - there are perfectly good reasons why we haven’t changed the inauguration date. OK, let’s ignore Trump’s infantile actions. It took almost a week just to count all of the results. In 2000, we needed time for actual disputes, court cases, etc. IF THERE ARE TRUE LEGAL QUESTIONS, this gives us time to resolve them. IN NORMAL TIMES, there are necessary transfer actions - the President Elect needs to learn some things before assuming power; he has to get teams in place, etc. Maybe we need some limitations on Presidential power during the transition period, but we can’t just throw out the entire system because the American public made one bad (admittedly EXTREMELY BAD) decision in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9069 "2021-01-19T16:05:21Z")
The orange is in play. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9070 "2021-01-19T16:07:50Z")
Randy Rainbow sums it all up…and says “Goodbye” [SEASONS OF TRUMP - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzXBVkWASI4) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9071 "2021-01-19T16:15:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Contact tracing? Big Brother ain’t gonna track me! I’ve got rights! One thing that supporters of the insurrection fail to understand is that if they achieved their goal and got Trump named president, again they would lose all their rights. If I were in law enforcement and the Trump coup succeeded the first thing I would do is start confiscating the weapons of anyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9072 "2021-01-19T16:24:58Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > There is a (very, very) small town in my county that has a tick festival. But was it still named “The City”? > [@Smapti](#): > > Spoon! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9073 "2021-01-19T16:27:56Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > or just have the crew from cabin pressure take over… _Brilliant!_ ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9074 "2021-01-19T16:28:15Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > And, BTW - there are perfectly good reasons why we haven’t changed the inauguration date. OK, let’s ignore Trump’s infantile actions. It took almost a week just to count all of the results. In 2000, we needed time for actual disputes, court cases, etc. IF THERE ARE TRUE LEGAL QUESTIONS, this gives us time to resolve them. IN NORMAL TIMES, there are necessary transfer actions - the President Elect needs to learn some things before assuming power; he has to get teams in place, etc. Maybe we need some limitations on Presidential power during the transition period Why not move the election, which doesn’t require an amendment? First weekend in December would work (two days and most folks don’t work weekends and even fewer work both weekend days (as opposed to Tuesdays)). Some logistic problems since I think churches are fairly popular as voting locations, but maybe we could move back to schools since they aren’t in session on weekends. Leaves one and a half months for counting and transitioning. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9075 "2021-01-19T16:38:13Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > I actually like the idea for a park like that, at least as far as what I’m envisioning anyway. The college I went to had bronze “slice of life” statues in the public spaces that I liked. For example, a woman sitting on a bench with her daughter reading a book. Another one had a man playing with a dog. Most of the [Mesa statues](https://www.downtownmesa.com/sculptures/) are slice of life or whimsical as well but there are a few statesman\* scattered among them. Oddly enough, neither the bronze diplodocus we have at the Arizona Museum of Natural History’s entrance (lower left) nor the life-size [acrocanthosaurus](https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4162087,-111.8339447,3a,75y,47.1h,106.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBJzR6JmMaAObwl9YX5lK0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) we have busting through the south wall made the art walking tour list. 🙄 \*Dead politician. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9076 "2021-01-19T16:39:01Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > Um, if we had declared a winner on November 4th, wouldn’t that have been Trump? I’m pretty sure he was ahead in PA, GA, and AZ at that time…. It took almost a week just to count all of the results. Because the Rs forced several states to refrain from counting any votes before the polls closed. I would prefer an election where the voting takes several weeks and the early votes are counted as they are received and running totals reported weekly. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9077 "2021-01-19T16:46:06Z")
That’ll be the most blood-boiling part of the whole thing: 1. Trump makes choices that lead to more death, illness, and economic suffering, and entrenches those problems in ways that are much harder to combat than the original outbreak. 2. Biden enacts policies that attempt to slow/reverse a situation made drastically worse because of Trump’s choices. 3. A Republican gets sick, dies, or loses their business as a result of COVID after Jan 20th 4. Republican outcry: “Joe Biden is worse on COVID that Trump was!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9078 "2021-01-19T17:01:13Z")
These guys have been a guiding light for so much of my life; of course they come thru again: > [@](#): > > Twenty-, twenty-, twenty-, twenty-four hours to go > I wanna be sedated > Nothing to do, nowhere to go, oh > I wanna be sedated [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bm51ihfi1p4/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC4AOKAgwIABABGHIgTSg1MA8=&rs=AOn4CLDqqnzhJs7eN6PWn22tSfWIlvnWKg "Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated (Official Music Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4) [https://trumpevictionclock.com/?fbclid=IwAR3qjVXekRPO6kcRpzMS5iwqLljrjEXMv2FgbUw8nncuPavlAWz8HwQkgyw](https://trumpevictionclock.com/?fbclid=IwAR3qjVXekRPO6kcRpzMS5iwqLljrjEXMv2FgbUw8nncuPavlAWz8HwQkgyw) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9079 "2021-01-19T17:03:39Z")
Didn’t you see this one on new year’s eve? [https://imgur.com/gallery/LNRmYQg](https://imgur.com/gallery/LNRmYQg) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9080 "2021-01-19T17:15:44Z")
Since you cross-posted, I’ll post cross-post a link to the radio station I’m listening to right now. [KEXP 90.3 Playlist](https://www.kexp.org/playlist/) They are definitely making a day of celebrating the end of the Charlie Foxtrot. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9081 "2021-01-19T17:20:05Z")
That’s hilarious! Anybody looking at Faux News to see what they’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9082 "2021-01-19T17:22:36Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > Um, if we had declared a winner on November 4th, wouldn’t that have been Trump? Obviously I’m talking about as soon as the outcome is known. And the fact that this wasn’t the case on Nov 4th just highlights other defects in our system. To some extent poor and patchwork technology, but principally deliberate Republican ploys to prevent timely counting of votes. > [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > there are perfectly good reasons why we haven’t changed the inauguration date But these are not perfectly good reasons. These kind of protracted legal challenges just do not happen in most democracies. If we had an independent electoral commission and sensibly run elections that weren’t in the hands of partisan state operatives the question of legal challenges would be largely moot. An extended lame duck period is a _terrible_ idea for precisely the reasons we have just seen. When the defeated incumbent is a bad actor, it greatly increases the opportunity to execute a coup. The whole idea that everything’s fine so long as everyone is behaving honorably and according to norms is just not a good argument. A good constitution is designed to be robust to bad actors. We are seeing how fragile our constitution really is. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9083 "2021-01-19T17:37:43Z")
As pessimistic as I normally am, I am cautiously optimistic that Biden knows how to deal with this: like his democratic predecessor, he will keep his head down, ignore the drama, and go to work. He knows a lot of Republicans will blame him no matter what he does, but I think if he can focus on being effective and convincing independents that he’s trying to be effective, he can change some minds, even if he can’t completely convert hearts. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9084 "2021-01-19T17:38:06Z")
My fellow Americans…our long national clusterfuckery is over. Almost. (_Turns around 3 times and spits_). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9085 "2021-01-19T17:40:36Z")
Trump is over; Trumpism is not. The next 4 to 8 years will likely determine what kind of country this is over the next 40 to 80, and possibly longer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=452) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=454)