# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 458
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9166 "2021-01-20T19:08:19Z")
that should go in the “Biden Cancels the Clusterfuck” thread - (but I have no idea on these - one assumes so) ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9167 "2021-01-20T19:11:48Z")
Probably but I think the wing nut noise wouldn’t worth it, just makes sure the protection is minimal and any money spent for bathroom breaks and off duty rest spots is directed to local businesness etc not the grifters and their friends . ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9168 "2021-01-20T19:32:39Z")
The money quote from that article “ A lot of YouTube journalists have just lost a hell of a lot of credibility.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They’re just learning that EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES DIES. There’s a whole shitload of morons that thought they were getting pardons - not just for the actual attack that was the culmination of the insurrection plot, but for swearing out false affidavits regarding election fraud and the whole STOP THE STEAL fraud. I’m pretty sure that Guiliani and friends were hinting at pardons for these people, they were just too locked into the “I must be telling the truth because I swore this affidavit on penalty of perjury, why would I risk jail” narrative. Oh, and I hope his does start his Patriotic Constitution Party or Constitution Patriots Party or whatever name his kids come up with…please please please please please. The Republicans are going to learn what we’ve all known from Day One, EVERYTHING TRUMO TOUCHES DIES. it was inevitable— they bent one little rule for him, and started down the path, never realizing that all Trump saw was the last thing you did, or didn’t do. They spent four years slavishly lapping the shit of his shoes, but he’s not going to remember any of that. Because he’s…what that word you Republicans coined…_transactional_. And all he’s gonna remember is that last transaction, the one where you couldn’t make him king and humiliated him in front of the entire nation. This is a guy that’s still fuming because 32 years ago some magazine editor said his fingers were short. He’s going to do his best to destroy the Republican Party. Either he’ll succeed or he’ll find he fell so far so fast that he can’t even muster his base, the #TrumpArmy he refused to pardon. I’m not sure which way it will go down, but either way it will be delicious! ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9169 "2021-01-20T19:39:51Z")
_I Still Want my Space Force Uniform_ by Don Jr. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9170 "2021-01-20T19:43:30Z")
Wouldn’t it be sweet if he’s convicted in the Senate and loses his protection, while his kids keep theirs? “Yeah, sorry Dad, we’re too busy to have you over.” I never thought I’d want anything good to happen for any of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9171 "2021-01-20T19:52:36Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > > [@simster](#): > > > > Before leaving office, former President Trump signed a memorandum extending US Secret Service protection by six months for all his children, according to a senior US official. > > Couldn’t President Biden cancel this? It would look petty, and not something that’s worth worrying about for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9172 "2021-01-20T19:56:01Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Patriotic Constitution Party or Constitution Patriots Party Splitter! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9173 "2021-01-20T20:00:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > We could wait until it hits 10K posts and closes itself. Yeah. To use the analogies above, he may be no longer shitting on our heads (for the moment) but there’s still all these shit-piles that need to be shoveled up all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9174 "2021-01-20T20:30:03Z")
At his farewell speech, the organizers played a weird mix of music, including “Fortunate Son”, which is about how a rich man’s son gets special treatment, and “YMCA”. Newsmax even tried some explanation as to what YMCA might mean to Individual 1 personally. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9175 "2021-01-20T20:32:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Newsmax even tried some explanation as to what YMCA might mean to Individual 1 personally. It might be as simple as the hand gestures that everyone does when the song plays. Trump doesn’t care about the lyrics or the meaning, just that it engages a crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9176 "2021-01-20T20:46:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Newsmax even tried some explanation as to what YMCA might mean to Individual 1 personally. It’s like trying to explain the logical reason why Grandpa is wearing his underpants on his head; You can make the attempt, but you look like a moron for trying. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9177 "2021-01-20T20:58:12Z")
Okay, maybe for the last time… [![](https://i.imgur.com/vQ7gDr4.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/vQ7gDr4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9178 "2021-01-20T21:13:05Z")
I would be very interested in knowing just how much this is costing taxpayers. It sure seems like a significant monetary grab. Surely this “billionaire” and his children can afford their own competent security detail. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9179 "2021-01-20T21:18:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Surely this “billionaire” and his children can afford their own competent security detail. Why should this be relevant in deciding whether or not they should receive ongoing govt protection? All ideas of politics, blame, fault and everything else aside - if protection is “needed” due to a role you had in govt, shouldn’t the govt be responsible for that protection? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9180 "2021-01-20T21:23:56Z")
I think a reasonable question to ask is: Why is protection needed for THESE people, when it was not required for other adult children of former presidents? Is it simply that blatant nepotism put them in positions of influence for the last 4 years? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9181 "2021-01-20T21:31:18Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > Surely this “billionaire” and his children can afford their own competent security detail. > > Why should this be relevant in deciding whether or not they should receive ongoing govt protection? > > All ideas of politics, blame, fault and everything else aside - if protection is “needed” due to a role you had in govt, shouldn’t the govt be responsible for that protection? Only one of his children had a role in government. The law determined that Secret Service protection was needed for six months. Why should Trump get to just decide, with no oversight, that it should be double that time period _for his children_? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9182 "2021-01-20T21:37:50Z")
Let’s be real clear about this: > [@](#): > > According to three people briefed on the plan, Trump issued a directive to extend post-presidency Secret Service protection to 14 members of his family who were not automatically entitled to receive it. > [@](#): > > The perk for the Trump family is expected to cost taxpayers millions of dollars and further stress the elite federal security force, which in the past four years had to staff the largest number ever of full-time security details — up to 42 at one point, according to former senior administration officials. I’m not really inclined to provide millions of dollars in security for the family of the man who incited an insurrection _fourteen_ days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9183 "2021-01-20T22:03:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I would be very interested in knowing just how much this is costing taxpayers. It sure seems like a significant monetary grab. Surely this “billionaire” and his children can afford their own competent security detail. A private company can decided not to do business with him. The Secret Service is obligated to provide protection even if they loathe the party being protected. That might have more to do with this than money alone. Oh, who am I kidding? The Trumps avoid paying for anything they can get away with making someone else pay for. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9184 "2021-01-20T22:15:59Z")
Exactly. They aren’t entitled to it and Trump saying they should get it anyway doesn’t carry any authority or make any sense for taxpayers, IMO. > [@](#): > > Under federal law, Trump, his wife Melania and their 14-year-old son are the only members of his immediate family entitled to Secret Service protection after they leave office. > > The couple will receive it for their lifetimes, and Barron is entitled to protection until he turns 16. > [@](#): > > But Trump wanted every family member who had been protected by the Secret Service during his administration to be covered for another six months, according to the people familiar with his directive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe security arrangements. > > That means the expensive, taxpayer-funded security will continue for his daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner, their three children, his son Donald Trump Jr. and his five children, his son Eric Trump and his wife Lara and his daughter Tiffany Trump. No. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9185 "2021-01-20T22:22:58Z")
I’m up for making a deal. We’ll provide them with round the clock protection, for years. While they are in jail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=457) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=459)