# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 462
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9246 "2021-01-22T14:50:27Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I wonder if Trump read No, he didn’t. It doesn’t matter what comes after the quoted text. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9247 "2021-01-22T15:53:06Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > No, he didn’t. It doesn’t matter what comes after the quoted text. Well, maybe he watched the 2001-2002 A&E Timothy Hutton TV Series. I could see him identifying with a portly and powerful stable genius living in Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc8723/32.png) [@Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Levolor_the_Blind)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9248 "2021-01-22T16:30:37Z")
I remember Wolfe’s beer button from the stories but don’t recall it making an appearance in the series. (end of irrelevant tangent) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9249 "2021-01-22T16:44:15Z")
Only if there was a parody movie: **Lisa:** Bart, this is horrible! What if Dad reads it? **[Bart]:** It’s too long; he won’t read it. **Lisa:** Well, what if they make it into a movie? **Bart:** It’s too sappy; he won’t see it. **Lisa:** Well, what if they do a parody about it on MADtv? **Bart:** _[gasps]_ We’re doomed! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9250 "2021-01-23T04:51:12Z")
The clusterfuck is over, but more news about it just keeps coming. The depth of depravity is just stunning … > **[New York Times: Trump and DOJ attorney had plan to replace his acting AG and...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/trump-doj-attorney-plan-replace-acting-ag-false-election-claims/index.html)** > > Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark nearly convinced then-President Donald Trump to remove then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and use the Department of Justice to undo Georgia's election results, The New York Times reported Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9251 "2021-01-23T05:01:09Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The clusterfuck is over, but more news about it just keeps coming. The depth of depravity is just stunning I think this story is posted in four different threads now. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9252 "2021-01-23T05:07:35Z")
OK, slap-down duly acknowledged. It’s hard to keep up sometimes. I will humbly slink away, tail between my legs, and think about maybe never being seen again due to the opprobrious shame of having posted something that somebody already posted before. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9253 "2021-01-23T05:12:17Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > OK, slap-down duly acknowledged. Sorry. The point, and the problem, being that an item posted in multiple threads then leads to follow-up discussion scattered across multiple threads. Not that I’m knocking you or anybody for this, because it’s hard to keep up. The problem has been, there are sooooooo many Trumpy threads going over the last four years, there has been a whole lot of overlap in their topics and a whole lot of discussion getting scattered around like that. The obvious solution is to get rid of Trump, which we’ve now done. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9254 "2021-01-23T05:13:47Z")
What would have been the point? Even if they _had_ managed to overturn the GA election results, it wouldn’t have been enough to change the results of the _national_ election. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9255 "2021-01-23T05:27:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > What would have been the point? Even if they _had_ managed to overturn the GA election results, it wouldn’t have been enough to change the results of the _national_ election.  This was the same question people were asking after the infamous Raffensperger phone call. The speculation was, of course, that he planned to try the same (or had already been trying the same) in other states too, and if he succeeded in any one, then maybe the others would start to fall like dominoes. So if he had succeeded in this little coup in the DoJ, maybe they were hoping for something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9256 "2021-01-23T06:23:31Z")
Yeah, it’s some form of interdimensional 54-th dimensional chess. We’re just not smart enough to realize we’re screwed. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9257 "2021-01-23T06:39:31Z")
Before too long flood and hurricane insurance will be astronomically expensive in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9258 "2021-01-23T11:27:03Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I think this story is posted in four different threads now. > [@wolfpup](#): > > OK, slap-down duly acknowledged. It’s hard to keep up sometimes. I will humbly slink away, tail between my legs, and think about maybe never being seen again due to the opprobrious shame of having posted something that somebody already posted before. Now, now. That **was** sarcasm, right? The more times something is posted, the more people will see it. Besides, every time I read the same bit of news about Dear Ex-Leader in several different threads, it’s like another nail pounded into his coffin, or another BANG of the judge’s gavel. > [@Senegoid](#): > > Not that I’m knocking you or anybody for this, because it’s hard to keep up. …The obvious solution is to get rid of Trump, which we’ve now done. This. Even now, some new trump threads have sprung up that I haven’t looked into yet, and may not. This thread will always be my first love and my baby. If the item is here, I’ll see it. I have ceased to follow his so-called career second-by-second the way I have for the past 4+ years. So post away, and crosspost, too. It’s all good. > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Before too long flood and hurricane insurance will be astronomically expensive in Florida. There’s going to be a sellout on shitproof hip waders, too. Designer ones, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9259 "2021-01-23T15:53:03Z")
Does the DOJ have the authority to reject a state’s certified election results? Would that plan have worked? I figured he was doing stuff like this, probing for cracks in the armor to take a crowbar to. It’s a relief that at least for the next few years he won’t be able to do that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9260 "2021-01-23T16:29:08Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Does the DOJ have the authority to reject a state’s certified election results? Would that plan have worked? Directly, probably not. But a DOJ loyal to a tyrant can make threats to those who do not abide the directives of the dictator. On the phonecall to Georgia, Trump specifically said that they would be in legal trouble if they didn’t “find” those votes he needed to win. That seems a feckless threat, unless he has the power of the DOJ behind him. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9261 "2021-01-23T17:06:31Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I think this story is posted in four different threads now To be fair, the cite for this story I’d seen in another thread was a paywalled NYT story. This CNN link isn’t paywalled so I appreciate the link. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9262 "2021-01-24T01:31:27Z")
Did we mention ShitGibbon’s final act of dickishness, [booting the WH house staff](https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/712163?unlock=FCBVWWPJ84DA0LXS), firing the head usher and sending everyone else home for the day so that the new guy would have to fend for himself? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9263 "2021-01-24T01:52:45Z")
From the Times article. it seemed that the idea was to call the Georgia Attorney general and tell him that as part of an ongoing investigation the US justice department had uncovered massive fraud in the Georgia election and so Georgia needs to hold off on certifying the list of electors until the justice department investigation could be completed. As far as how that could be used to steal the whole election, and bearing in mind the first axiom of explaining Trumps actions (there is no plan). I think the idea would be that having even just one state held up as disputed might disrupt the whole debate can give political cover for Pence and other Republicans in the senate to axe the entire process throwing it to the house vote by delegation. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9264 "2021-01-24T02:03:41Z")
> [@the 12th Amendment](#): > > … the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed … This tells me that, if the process were held up in Georgia, those unappointed electors would simply not be counted against the total, meaning that the winning margin would become 262, which Joe already had covered. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9265 "2021-01-24T02:05:28Z")
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