# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 463
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9266 "2021-01-24T02:13:37Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > What would have been the point? Even if they _had_ managed to overturn the GA election results, it wouldn’t have been enough to change the results of the _national_ election. If he gets GA reversed, then the _official_ story is is that there was mass fraud. Can open, works everywhere. Remember that the plan for a long time was for America to lose faith in elections. It still is. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9267 "2021-01-24T04:01:21Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Did we mention ShitGibbon’s final act of dickishness, [booting the WH house staff](https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/712163?unlock=FCBVWWPJ84DA0LXS), firing the head usher and sending everyone else home for the day so that the new guy would have to fend for himself? I saw that on CNN. Thanks for mentioning it – definitely worth noting. The orange turd is truly a class act – I don’t think it’s possible to sink any lower in sheer vindictiveness, pettiness, and childish immaturity. He really is like a horrible six-year-old that you want to be sure to keep the knives away from. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Remember that the plan for a long time was for America to lose faith in elections. It still is. A plan heartily endorsed by the orange shit-gibbon’s BFF, Vladimir. For what he’s done for US well-being and security, the shit-gibbon should be in Guantanamo. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9268 "2021-01-24T04:15:07Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > he orange turd is truly a class act Low class. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9269 "2021-01-24T04:54:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Just when you think he can’t go any lower… Does not compute… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9270 "2021-01-24T18:34:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Just when you think he can’t go any lower… As I said a couple years ago, and got no reaction to it. ☹ _He has no bottom – he is an assless chap._ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9271 "2021-01-24T18:40:15Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > Just when you think he can’t go any lower… > > As I said a couple years ago, and got no reaction to it. ☹ > > _He has no bottom – he is an assless chap._ - Stealing. Stolen. Stollen. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9272 "2021-01-25T01:35:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Y’all are missing one of the best parts of this new administration: > > [https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5fca36c6a8efb25fec4f1761/960x0.jpg?fit=scale](https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5fca36c6a8efb25fec4f1761/960x0.jpg?fit=scale) > > Major, the youngster, was adopted in 2018 from the Delaware Humane Association (DHA), making him the first shelter dog to enter the White House. According to a recent news article, to celebrate Major’s new home, the DHA hosted a virtual “indoguration” for their alumnus last week, which included celebrity appearances and raised more than $200,000 for the shelter. 🙂 > > The Orange Fuck was once asked about why no dog in the White House, and he replied “How would I look walking a dog on the White House lawn?”. Like you were capable of doing something worthwhile; like you were capable of feeling and demonstrating love and affection for another living creature; like you were capable of behaving responsibly. Take your pick, ya America-hating fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9273 "2021-01-25T01:42:37Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > OK, slap-down duly acknowledged. It’s hard to keep up sometimes. I will humbly slink away, tail between my legs, and think about maybe never being seen again due to the opprobrious shame of having posted something that somebody already posted before. Lighten up, Francis. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9274 "2021-01-25T01:48:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Just when you think he can’t go any lower… Yeah, I’ve got that contingency covered, by the simple expedient of never thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9275 "2021-01-25T05:13:12Z")
The Clusterfuck was so deep and wide, the flow of lies so continuous and torrential, we’re not even through tallying it up yet! (And hence, the on-going life of this thread.) The fact-checkers long since lost count of his lies, but it seems they’re finally getting all caught up. [Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html), Glenn Kessler, WaPo, Jan. 23, 2021. > **[Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html)** > > The Washington Post Fact Checker’s database of Trump claims, originally launched as a project to track his first 100 days, offers a window into his obsessions. WaPo’s fact-checker team has been doing this for 10 years, but the four years of Trump was something special. They created a special database just for his lies. The article gives an overview of his record. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9276 "2021-01-25T14:36:08Z")
> [@Forbes](#): > > The Orange Fuck was once asked about why no dog in the White House, and he replied “How would I look walking a dog on the White House lawn?”. Silly. You’d have people for that. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9277 "2021-01-25T15:50:59Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > [Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html), Glenn Kessler, WaPo, Jan. 23, 2021. Well, \<_Harrumph, harrumph, bluster, bluster_\> Joe Biden has already told a lie, too, and he’s only been President for FIVE DAYS! He said “all” when he should have said “most”! So there! 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9278 "2021-01-25T17:03:31Z")
I’m severely pissed about this: > [@](#): > > **Supreme Court dismisses emoluments cases against Trump** > > The Supreme Court [declined](https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/012521zor_3f14.pdf) on Monday to hear a case concerning [whether former President Donald Trump violated provisions of the Constitution](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/supreme-court-controversial-issues/index.html) that bar a president from profiting from a foreign government. > > The court instructed the lower courts to wipe away[previous lower court opinions that went against Trump](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/14/politics/appeals-court-emoluments-trump-hotel/index.html)because he is no longer in office. It leaves unresolved a novel question raised in the case because Trump, unlike other presidents, did not use a blind trust when he assumed the presidency, but instead continued to retain an interest in his businesses and let those businesses to take money from foreign and domestic governments. > > The order was issued without comment or dissent. [https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/emoluments-supreme-court-donald-trump-case/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/emoluments-supreme-court-donald-trump-case/index.html) One of the things that rankled the most over the past four years has been Trump’s blatant ignoring of the emoluments clause. No other president profited from his time in office so obviously and corruptly. He’s unique in not merely not putting his assets into a blind trust, but openly encouraging people to use his hotels. This seems as clear-cut a case as there could be. But now the Supreme Court has blocked lower courts from even considering the issue, has wiped away all lower court rulings, and there’s not a single comment on it? I could see Trump’s appointees maybe agreeing to this, but how is it we get no dissent or comments from the more liberal justices? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9279 "2021-01-25T17:11:32Z")
Olly olly oxen-free? _Really?_ ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9280 "2021-01-25T17:23:36Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > But now the Supreme Court has blocked lower courts from even considering the issue, has wiped away all lower court rulings, and there’s not a single comment on it? I could see Trump’s appointees maybe agreeing to this, but how is it we get no dissent or comments from the more liberal justices? IANAL but it appears to be an ironclad legal technicality, given that Trump is no longer President. Even one of the plaintiff attorneys in your cite seemed to acknowledge the futility of continuing the case: > [@](#): > > Deepak Gupta, one of the attorneys challenging Trump in the disputes, said on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/deepakguptalaw/status/1353720038713397249?s=20) following the court’s decision that he wasn’t surprised the case was dismissed as moot after Trump left office, adding it’s “disappointing that Trump ran out the clock.” > > “I’m proud of the work we did to ensure the Constitution’s anti-corruption norms weren’t forgotten,” he wrote. The group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which had a part in the cases against Trump, said on Monday that the lawsuits “made the American people aware for four years of the pervasive corruption that came from a president maintaining a global business and taking benefits and payments from foreign and domestic governments.” > > “Only Trump losing the presidency and leaving office ended these corrupt constitutional violations stopped these groundbreaking lawsuits,” Noah Bookbinder, the group’s executive director, said in a statement. I guess the rationale is that these actions were unconstitutional violations on the part of President Trump. Now that President Trump no longer exists, there are no grounds for pursuing these cases against him. All the more reason to make explicit legal restrictions on a President’s activities while in office, instead of just trusting to precedent and protocol to restrain them. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9281 "2021-01-25T17:49:34Z")
Yes, apparently the only tool available under the law _as it stands_ was a civil suit to _make POTUS stop doing what he was doing_. Not to _punish Donald Trump_ for it. And yes, one more of those instances in which we discover a “rule” that was no such thing but only a practice predicated on the officeholder having any sense of honor or shame about it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9282 "2021-01-25T20:44:56Z")
So when he was president, there was nothing that could be done because he was president. And now, there is nothing that can be done because he’s no longer president. Did the supreme court just clarify that a President of the United States can do whatever the fuck he wants all day long, and suffer no consequences (EVER IN HIS LIFE) as long as there are enough sycophant toadies in his senate to allow it? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9283 "2021-01-25T20:48:36Z")
That’s what Article II says, isn’t it? /s There may be other things that the former occupant of the Oval Office gets called to account for, but apparently violating the Constitution is not going to be one of them. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9284 "2021-01-25T20:59:34Z")
Can’t do anything while he’s president and can’t do anything after he’s president. Should have handled it before he ran. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9285 "2021-01-25T21:25:22Z")
The real, effectual, long-term solution would be to replace the emoluments clause with an amendment that says: every president must release his taxes, and must liquidate any business venture. Period. Oh, and can’t receive bribes and titles from foreign princes & potentates and all that stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=462) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=464)