# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 464
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9286 "2021-01-25T21:42:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Did the supreme court just clarify that a President of the United States can do whatever the fuck he wants all day long, and suffer no consequences (EVER IN HIS LIFE) as long as there are enough sycophant toadies in his senate to allow it? Not IMO. IANAL but I am under the impression that if you have actual _proof that would stand in court_ of _a specified crime_ – or of a tort with actual damages against an actual person with standing – that you find out about while he’s in office(\*), you can take the POTUS to court by the regular process _after_ he is no longer in office. (\* That was already a crime or tort BEFORE he became President) This is why I say the “gentlemen’s agreement” rules needs to be replaced by **specifically legislating** to define certain violations of constitutional duties and limitations that until now exist merely as “traditionally understood”, to be specific crimes or torts and providing for when it is time to pursue a case. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9287 "2021-01-25T22:31:39Z")
Supreme Court blows off emoluments cases. Boy, that wouldn’t have happened when Scalia was on the court. He’d insist on the original language and intent of the Founding Fathers. If you disagreed, he’d say to pass a law or amendment if you didn’t like what the constitution said. Yessir, he’d hold DumpsterFire’s feet to fire. /s ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9288 "2021-01-25T22:32:56Z")
30,573 lies. That’s like EIGHTY-THREE YEARS of Desktop Lie a Day calendars. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9289 "2021-01-25T22:36:12Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > 30,573 lies. That’s like EIGHTY-THREE YEARS of Desktop Lie a Day calendars.  Move over, Henry Ford. The man’s a mass-production industrialist! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9290 "2021-01-25T23:30:12Z")
[Noted Worm-Eater sued by Dominion](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-admits-biden-is-president-hours-after-being-sued-for-dollar13-billion-by-voting-machine-company/ar-BB1d5qQa?li=BBnb7Kz), > After Dominion filed its lawsuit, Giuliani [put out a statement]saying the action will “allow me to investigate their history, finances, and practices fully and completely.” Is this correct? Does he not have to show NOW that he was correct? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9291 "2021-01-25T23:49:49Z")
There is a thing called “discovery”, in which the defendant has some rights with respect to obtaining information from the plaintiff. I do not believe these rights are open-ended (“hey, we found out that your CEO fucked his sister, so your case has no merit”) but apply only to relevant information. Ghouliani is not relieved of the responsibility of showing that his claims had merit. He is blowing smoke (SOP for him). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9292 "2021-01-25T23:50:25Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Is this correct? Does he not have to show NOW that he was correct? He gets to conduct discovery. Truth is a defense, even if he was reckless in making unsubstantiated charges. I doubt the company is worried, I’ve seen no evidence of anything shady going on. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9293 "2021-01-25T23:54:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I doubt the company is worried, I’ve seen no evidence of anything shady going on. Every company has dirty underwear, though. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9294 "2021-01-25T23:55:23Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I doubt the company is worried Yeah, I’m guessing that Dominion probably wouldn’t have filed the suit if they had something to hide. I’m looking forward to Rudy arguing his case in court. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9295 "2021-01-25T23:59:08Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I’m looking forward to Rudy arguing his case in court. Yeah, I’m greatly looking forward to Rudy taking on the case himself. With his great legal mind, he’s likely to argue himself right into contempt of court charges and a jail term, and all while providing priceless entertainment! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9296 "2021-01-26T00:01:17Z")
Pat Leahy. the Senate President pro tem, will preside over the impeachment trial instead of the Chief Justice, because the accused is no longer President. I wonder if Leahy will vote, as well. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9297 "2021-01-26T00:03:46Z")
The [Cheeto-Faced ShitGibbon is apoplectic](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-furiously-watching-fauci-biden-era-interviews-report-2021-1) at seeing Dr. Fauci say that it is a relief to be working for Joe the President and saying bad things about CFSG that CFSG is unable to counter with angry tweets. I suspect that he is becoming red-faced. The RFSG. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9298 "2021-01-26T00:32:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The [Cheeto-Faced ShitGibbon is apoplectic](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-furiously-watching-fauci-biden-era-interviews-report-2021-1)… From that article: > “He very much feels that a lot of people are working to downgrade his legacy out of hatred for him,” one source told The Daily Beast. > … Well, Donnie finally got something right! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9299 "2021-01-26T01:16:10Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I’m looking forward to Rudy arguing his case in court. If you’re disbarred, you can’t represent someone else, but can you still represent yourself? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9300 "2021-01-26T01:20:17Z")
LegalEagle explains the emoluments case. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CsSLG6q9FMw/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Emoluments Cases Dismissed #shorts") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSLG6q9FMw) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9301 "2021-01-26T01:27:54Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > Can’t do anything while he’s president and can’t do anything after he’s president. Catch-45. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9302 "2021-01-26T01:34:01Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If you’re disbarred, you can’t represent someone else, but can you still represent yourself? IANAL, but I believe anybody has the right to represent her/himself in a civil case. Including disbarred lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9303 "2021-01-26T01:35:59Z")
Individual 1 has opened “The Office of the Former President” to handle his correspondence and activites. > His use of the Great Seal is probably illegal. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9304 "2021-01-26T01:37:08Z")
Sounds like a concession to me. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9305 "2021-01-26T01:42:07Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I’m looking forward to Rudy arguing his case in court. Jesus, me too. He will probably appear with his underwear on his head, hair dye and sweat pouring down his temples, and try to tell the judge that some Youts made him do it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=463) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=465)