# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 487
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9747 "2021-02-12T19:23:45Z")
Just don’t use tarot cards for that. Last time we did I got a full house and 12 people died! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9748 "2021-02-12T20:02:35Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > That reminds me. Saint Lucy was popular, too, because she held her eyeballs on a plate. [Very creepy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy#/media/File:Saint_Lucy_by_Domenico_di_Pace_Beccafumi.jpg) I’m sure some of these saints gave small children nightmares. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9749 "2021-02-12T20:09:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > > [@carrps](#): > > > > That reminds me. Saint Lucy was popular, too, because she held her eyeballs on a plate. > > [Very creepy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy#/media/File:Saint_Lucy_by_Domenico_di_Pace_Beccafumi.jpg) I’m sure some of these saints gave small children nightmares. - She has eyeballs in the usual place. Whose eyeballs are on the plate? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9750 "2021-02-12T20:11:58Z")
The eyes in her head are glass eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9751 "2021-02-12T20:17:41Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > > [@carrps](#): > > > > That reminds me. Saint Lucy was popular, too, because she held her eyeballs on a plate. > > [Very creepy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy#/media/File:Saint_Lucy_by_Domenico_di_Pace_Beccafumi.jpg) I’m sure some of these saints gave small children nightmares. Not just the saints. One of my aunts had a very large, very gory/realistic crucifix on one of her walls. When I first encountered it as a child I reportedly screamed mightily in horror and spent some time terrified of that aunt because she had a guy NAILED to her bedroom wall! (I was about 4 or 5) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9752 "2021-02-12T20:23:03Z")
Speaking of eyes, when I was a kid my parents had a picture of St. Thérèse de Lisieux on the wall, similar to this one: [![](https://www.beautysoancient.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/St-Therese-de-Lisieux2.jpg) ](https://www.beautysoancient.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/St-Therese-de-Lisieux2.jpg) The eyes followed you around the room. Wherever you were, the eyes were looking at you. As an anxiety-prone fifth-grader, I didn’t understand how that was possible except by supernatural means, and it scared the ever-loving pee out of me. She’s a harmless, low-key, benign saint who died in a convent in her 20s from TB or something. But that picture terrified me. There was a lot to be scared of when you were a Catholic kid in the 1950s-60s. Don’t know how it is now. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9753 "2021-02-12T20:27:04Z")
Damn right. The nuns were always telling us horror stories. I heard all those “oleander will kill you” stories from them. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9754 "2021-02-12T20:27:52Z")
The nuns were the source of some of the horror! Those fucking rulers hurt. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9755 "2021-02-12T20:29:37Z")
Sister Swamp Fox (i.e. Frances Marion) played first base on the novitiate softball team, and she’d whirl around from the chalkboard and hurl the chalk at the culprit…usually Michael Zarella. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9756 "2021-02-12T20:32:28Z")
Another weird image was of the [Virgin Mary crushing a snake](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/ff/4e/7cff4ef74c0b6e4f8abe5dd556f30aaf.jpg). This was based on a prophecy made to Eve after the Fall that a woman would eventually crush the snake’s head. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9757 "2021-02-12T20:34:59Z")
I used to have a Chinese version of that image. It was actually kinda cool. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9758 "2021-02-12T20:43:29Z")
Best of all was [St. George slaying the dragon](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/bd/b9/09bdb9a7affad6c5250d93269940cddd.jpg), especially since he was my namesake. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9759 "2021-02-12T20:44:08Z")
Yee haw! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9760 "2021-02-12T20:44:59Z")
May God have mercy on this thread and close it. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9761 "2021-02-12T20:49:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > May God have mercy on this thread and close it… That’s giving Discobot a lot of credit. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9762 "2021-02-12T20:49:45Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Best of all was [St. George slaying the dragon](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/bd/b9/09bdb9a7affad6c5250d93269940cddd.jpg), especially since he was my namesake. Your name is “Dragon”? Cool. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9763 "2021-02-12T21:03:27Z")
dragan is a fairly popular slavic name. i would read lives of saints as i kid. better than fairy tales (unless you were reading irish fairy tales), most ending with some sort of “they died horribly” death. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9764 "2021-02-12T21:08:57Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I was going to mention St. Agatha. She was martyred by having her breasts cut off, and because of this she is often [depicted bearing her severed breasts on a plate.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Santa_Agueda_-_Zurbar%C3%A1n_%28detalle%29.png/452px-Santa_Agueda_-_Zurbar%C3%A1n_%28detalle%29.png) But during medieval times the faithful who saw this misinterpreted them as loaves of bread or cakes, leading her to be declared the patron saint of bakers. Today [rounded pastries in the form of breasts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_of_Sicily#/media/File:Minnuzze_di_sant'aita.jpg) are sold on her feast day. She is also the patron saint of bell-ringers, because the depiction of her breasts on a plate sometimes looked like bells. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9765 "2021-02-12T21:36:38Z")
Well, now I want to find 52 of these and divide them into four suits so I can play poker with 'em. It’ll take a lot of research to decide if St.Onan outranks St. Vinnie, the Jack of Chalices… But worth it for a rousing game of Vatican Hold’Em. > [silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus) > > Just don’t use tarot cards for that. Last time we did I got a full house and 12 people died! Sounds like a Steven Wright line. Hmmm, wasn’t there a scene from Firesign Theatre set in the Old West, where the grizzled old-timers in the saloon are playing poker with tarot cards? All I remember (from 40+ yrs ago) is _“It was No Limit, Pentacles Wild. I seen him deal a high priestess off the bottom of the deck…”_ ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9766 "2021-02-12T21:40:30Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > dragan is a fairly popular slavic name. Serbian and Croatian, if we’re being specific. I’m not sure I’ve met any Dragans from outside the Balkans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=486) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=488)