# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/82 "2020-06-23T18:44:47Z")
> [@solost](#): > > In other church-trump related news, a church in Oregon had several large gatherings in violation of the Governor’s Covid restrictions, citing trump’s demands for states to let churches open back up to worship. There had been 22 cases of Covid in the county of 27,000 people-- now there are 258 cases, with 236 tied to the church. Nice going trump! They say one man can’t make that big of a difference himself, even the President of the United States, but trump proves the doubters wrong all the time. I’ll admit I don’t see how Trump plans to benefit from what is clearly an ongoing strategy of killing his own supporters in the months leading up to the election. I guess I just don’t understand all this fourth-dimensional chess. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/83 "2020-06-23T19:03:34Z")
Exactly. Is Trump planning to visit every state with huge rising numbers (Oklahoma, Arizona so far), and hold big rallies so that more of his supporters will get sick and die? Sounds like a pretty poor strategy. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/84 "2020-06-23T19:07:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@solost](#): > > > > In other church-trump related news, a church in Oregon had several large gatherings in violation of the Governor’s Covid restrictions, citing trump’s demands for states to let churches open back up to worship. There had been 22 cases of Covid in the county of 27,000 people-- now there are 258 cases, with 236 tied to the church. Nice going trump! They say one man can’t make that big of a difference himself, even the President of the United States, but trump proves the doubters wrong all the time. > > I’ll admit I don’t see how Trump plans to benefit from what is clearly an ongoing strategy of killing his own supporters in the months leading up to the election. I guess I just don’t understand all this fourth-dimensional chess. It’s hard to know what’s calculation and what’s reflexive reactionary blather, but I’d guess he likes telling his supporters what they want to hear in the moment and doesn’t worry or doesn’t think too much about any consequences down the road. Classic con man strategy- it’s not about right, it’s about right now. If he’s thinking it though at all, he’s gambling enough enthusiastic trump voters will still be around to vote on Nov. 3. After that, who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/85 "2020-06-23T19:16:03Z")
I wonder how many Covid-19 positive staffers did Trump take with him to Arizona? I believe for Oklahoma it was 6 staffers and 2 secret service that tested positive. Some of these were pulled before the event, but others interacted with the crowd. Trump is like a walking plague tour. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/86 "2020-06-23T19:19:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Exactly. Is Trump planning to visit every state with huge rising numbers (Oklahoma, Arizona so far), and hold big rallies so that more of his supporters will get sick and die? > > Sounds like a pretty poor strategy. Unless he’s trying to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/87 "2020-06-23T19:30:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I believe for Oklahoma it was 6 staffers [Two more have tested positive.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/politics/two-staffers-coronavirus-trump-rally/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/88 "2020-06-23T19:44:45Z")
I was not sure if those two additional were the Secret Service people for a total of 8, or two additional staff for a total of 10. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/89 "2020-06-23T19:47:35Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I’d be more inclined to believe this if he actually had a sense of humor beyond “punch dude in face laugh at blood.” [Trump is askeert of blood](https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/90 "2020-06-23T20:04:45Z")
Individual 1 accuses Obama of treason. > **[Trump falsely accuses Obama of treason in latest unfounded attack on his...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/22/politics/trump-obama-treason-claim/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump has falsely accused former President Barack Obama of committing "treason" in his latest unfounded accusation aimed at his predecessor. * * * The rally tonight is at a mega church which claims to have air filtration that will kill 99.9% of coronavirus. [Arizona Mega-Church Set to Host Trump Rally Falsely Claims Its Air Filter Zaps COVID-19 at Dream City Site](https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizona-mega-church-set-to-host-trump-rally-falsely-claim-its-air-filter-zaps-covid)? ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/91 "2020-06-23T20:19:56Z")
There is some (very preliminary at this point) evidence that some types of air filtration actually does deactivate the virus in addition to filtering it out of the air. The significant point these church leaders miss is that the air has to actually go into the system for it to work and there is ample time in a crowded situation for contaminated breath to be inhaled by others before it gets to the filtration system. mc ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/92 "2020-06-23T21:08:34Z")
It would be a terrible tragedy is it was just an oversized ozone generator. Fill the church with high enough concentrations of ozone, and Covid is not going to be a a worry. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/93 "2020-06-23T21:38:31Z")
Well, I have heard that the virus can be deactivated by moderately high concentrations of carbon monoxide. Just a rumor, though. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/94 "2020-06-23T21:46:55Z")
Hmmm… I guess when people stop breathing, they stop emitting the virus. And they stop complaining. But then they can’t vote either. What a dilemma. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/95 "2020-06-23T21:55:36Z")
“This is the first time Mickyfinn has posted — let’s welcome them to our community!” Hey, welcome to our community. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/96 "2020-06-23T22:53:52Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Unless he’s trying to lose. That would make sense if he plans on betting on Biden. But how’s he going to find somebody willing to bet on him? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/97 "2020-06-23T22:57:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Well, I have heard that the virus can be deactivated by moderately high concentrations of carbon monoxide. Just a rumor, though. Hydroxychloroquine, bleach, sunshine, and carbon monoxide; it’s the Trump cocktail. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/98 "2020-06-23T23:21:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hydroxychloroquine, bleach, sunshine, and carbon monoxide; it’s the Trump cocktail. To be applied oral, nasal, intravenous and by suppository all at the same time to make it work. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/99 "2020-06-24T00:18:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It would be a terrible tragedy is it was just an oversized ozone generator. > > Fill the church with high enough concentrations of ozone, and Covid is not going to be a a worry. Simple solutions to complex problems! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/100 "2020-06-24T00:22:09Z")
CFSG takes out his sharpie > what a fucking buffoon ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/101 "2020-06-24T00:26:06Z")
Trump has racked up a solid reputation for holding huge rallies in various cities, for which those cities rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars for security, crowd control, police overtime, etc., which they bill to the Trump campaign, who in turn never pays them. At least one city last year (somewhere in Florida?) insisted that Trump campaign pay a “deposit” in advance before he would be allowed to rally there. (I never saw a follow-up article telling if that actually happened, other than the rally did happen.) What about now? Did Tulsa city or county rack up huge expenses because of this rally? Will the Trump campaign pay for that? What about today’s rally in Arizona? And future rallies? Are any cities demanding that Trump’s campaign pay in advance for stuff like that? Can cities withhold permits for rallies until they get the $$$ in advance? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=6)