# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1289 "2020-07-23T13:42:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Second, why weren’t those shitheads mouthing that “respect the office” nonsense when Obama was president? They were tired and worn out from talking about “respect the office” during the Bush Jr. administration. It’s exhausting work. Can’t be expected to keep it up indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1290 "2020-07-23T13:46:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Second, why weren’t those shitheads mouthing that “respect the office” nonsense when Obama was president? Well, if Obama was going to disrespect the office by wearing a tan suit or no suit coat at all, why should they show respect? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1291 "2020-07-23T13:58:57Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Well, if Obama was going to disrespect the office by wearing a tan suit or no suit coat at all, why should they show respect? He put his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office for goodness sake!!! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1292 "2020-07-23T14:00:12Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Well, if Obama was going to disrespect the office by wearing a tan suit or no suit coat at all, why should they show respect? > [@wguy123](#): > > He put his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office for goodness sake!!!- Yeah, but there was no remedy or take-back for his most offensive offense: Presidentin’ While Black. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1293 "2020-07-23T14:17:50Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > Popcorn, check. Adult beverage, check. > > [Stephen Colbert goes one-on-one with Mary Trump tonight: What to expect](https://lastnighton.com/2020/07/22/stephen-colbert-mary-trump-interview/) She was really good, very well-spoken. [https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/video/\_Y6Q2SdnLA\_bt5b20wOf78VNAtpr9vsL/the-late-show-7-22-20-mary-trump-/](https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/video/_Y6Q2SdnLA_bt5b20wOf78VNAtpr9vsL/the-late-show-7-22-20-mary-trump-/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1294 "2020-07-23T14:18:36Z")
It’s OK, she’s not The President. [![](https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/kellyanne-conway-viral-oval-office.jpg?w=720) ](https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/kellyanne-conway-viral-oval-office.jpg?w=720) [A long history of Presidents doing what only Obama was criticized for.](https://time.com/4685807/kellyanne-conway-oval-office-presidents-history/) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1295 "2020-07-23T14:53:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > … shitheads of my acquaintance who voted for and/or support the orange jackass are now falling back on. “It doesn’t matter if you like the person in the office, you have to show respect to the office of the presidency” … My response to them would be “tell him that”. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1296 "2020-07-23T15:06:13Z")
Sheesh, Kellyanne looks like she thinks she’s at a slumber party. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1297 "2020-07-23T15:08:30Z")
Is that what The Donald calls it? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1298 "2020-07-23T16:07:27Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Sheesh, Kellyanne looks like she thinks she’s at a slumber party. She’s posting to her instagram: “We’re playing The Floor is Lava, and I’m winning!” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1299 "2020-07-23T16:24:38Z")
Good news. everyone! > **[Judge orders Michael Cohen to be released from prison](https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-u-s-news-ap-top-news-michael-cohen-prisons-a9ef5ee158ef0f118de144e96e170885)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — A judge on Thursday ordered the release of President Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer from prison, saying the government retaliated against him for planning to release a book critical of Trump before November's election. > [@](#): > > Michael Cohen’s First Amendment rights were violated when he was ordered back to prison on July 9 after probation authorities said he refused to sign a form banning him from publishing the book or communicating publicly in other manners, U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein said during a telephone conference. > > Hellerstein ordered Michael Cohen released from prison by 2 p.m. on Friday. > > “How can I take any other inference than that it’s retaliatory?” Hellerstein asked prosecutors, who insisted in court papers and again Thursday that Probation Department officers did not know about the book when they wrote a provision of home confinement that severely restricted Cohen’s public communications. > > “I’ve never seen such a clause in 21 years of being a judge and sentencing people and looking at terms of supervised release,” the judge said. “Why would the Bureau of Prisons ask for something like this … unless there was a retaliatory purpose?” > > In ruling, Hellerstein said he made the “finding that the purpose of transferring Mr. Cohen from furlough and home confinement to jail is retaliatory.” He added: “And it’s retaliatory for his desire to exercise his First Amendment rights to publish the book.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1300 "2020-07-23T16:24:45Z")
“A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Franklin D. Roosevelt “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” Barack Obama “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” Donald Trump ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1301 "2020-07-23T16:27:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Bullshit. They knew exactly what they were voting for. And they did not fucking care how bad the orange jackass is. That’s why his [approval rating](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/) continually hovers around 40% I saw it only the one time so maybe it was pulled but there was a Trump reelection ad out there with the phrases “Washington outsider” and “bull in a china shop,” both as positive attributes. The first is pretty much a staple with a lot of politicians but the latter… Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1302 "2020-07-23T16:31:15Z")
Can i note that giving him 3 words about roughly similar objects… assuming Dotard is correct about the words he was asked to repeat\*… is not at all reflective of how the test is laid out in my 7.13.20 post above? \*LOL, but let’s assume, OK? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1303 "2020-07-23T16:33:27Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > They knew exactly what they were voting for. Some portion of them only knew that he’s “not Hillary” and believed that he couldn’t be as bad as people were saying. This portion has come to realize that he’s actually worse than people were saying. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1304 "2020-07-23T16:56:38Z")
All six of them. The others are hanging in there. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1305 "2020-07-23T17:32:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” Donald Trump Like he’d _ever_ forget the words, Man, Camera, TV." It’s pretty much his creed. Oh. And “Corruption.” ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1306 "2020-07-23T17:51:33Z")
Someone on Twitter who administers the test said one is allowed to write the words down and refer back to them. It’s not a test of memory, it’s a test of cognitive ability. Of course, one must be able to write. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1307 "2020-07-23T18:06:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” Donald Trump It’s what he was looking at. There were people, Keileghghgh McInane-y was probably there, and interviewer, a camera for the interview, and likely a monitor. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1308 "2020-07-23T18:19:59Z")
The mayor of Portland got gassed by federal forces last night. [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/portland-mayor-wheeler-tear-gassed-379633](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/portland-mayor-wheeler-tear-gassed-379633)? ## And Ken Cuccinelli criticizes him for “standing with the protesters” [https://twitter.com/HomelandKen/status/1286361863433879552](https://twitter.com/HomelandKen/status/1286361863433879552) Cuccinelli also displayed a picture of gas masks and a shield as “proof” that the protesters in Portland are planning violence. > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=66)