# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1309 "2020-07-23T18:21:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Cuccinelli also displayed a picture of gas masks and a shield as “proof” that the protesters in Portland are planning violence. I think Ken is right - they are planning violence, or more specifically, they are planning for the violence they assume the system will inflict on them. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1310 "2020-07-23T18:33:52Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > Someone on Twitter who administers the test said one is allowed to write the words down and refer back to them. It’s not a test of memory, it’s a test of cognitive ability… I said that here, too. Someone who routinely administers the test told me that. She said if she were giving the test, and the person wanted a pencil and paper to write the words down, that would be fine. It’s not a test of memory; it’s a test of executive function. Somewhat aside: I heard the following comment on NPR this morning. Don’t remember what program (maybe “Here & Now”?), don’t know where to post it, and don’t feel like searching for just the right thread. But it’s interesting. A woman who oversaw a project to investigate racial, gender and other types of bias said re people’s objections to a woman president in general and Hillary in particular was not because they didn’t think a woman was smart enough or strong enough to do the job, it was because **they don’t trust a woman who wants to be president.** Of course, that’s what Hillary suffered from more than anything else–lack of trust. I think everyone, even people who hated her, knew she was brilliant and capable, but they just flat fucking **didn’t trust her.** So I thought it was interesting that we (in general) can trust a male president and we can trust a man who wants to be president… but there is something suspect about a woman even wanting the job. Maybe someone else who heard this program can add. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1311 "2020-07-23T18:58:43Z")
OMG, someone ‘Downfalled’ the words: > ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1312 "2020-07-23T19:38:01Z")
Dumsterfire was taken to Walter Reed and given this test, not for determining intelligence; it was to see if the 25th Amendment needed to be implemented. There wasn’t a public meltdown like some of his recent debacles that triggered the emergency visit. It must have been something in a private setting; a collapse, speech difficulties (becoming harder to differentiate from “normal”), an abortive attempt to nuke Greenland. Some sarcasm, but his handlers were worried enough to drag him there for an exam. He’s stupid enough to believe their cover story that it was an intelligence test and he “aced” it. #adultdiaperonhead #frontodemensia ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1313 "2020-07-23T19:53:55Z")
" Donald Trump, the president of the United States, has insisted that a cognitive test he took recently was “difficult”, using the example of a question in which the patient is asked to remember and repeat five words. “Person, woman, man, camera, TV,” Trump explained, saying that listing the words in order was worth “extra points”, and that he found the task easy. “They said nobody gets it in order, it’s actually not that easy. But for me it was easy. And that’s not an easy question,” he told Fox News medical analyst and New York University professor of medicine Marc K Siegel." > **['Person, woman, man, camera, TV': Trump insists cognitive test was difficult](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult)** > > US president’s pride in his own mental agility on display during interview in which he lists five things repeatedly “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” ??? I’m probably showing my age, but the first thing I thought of was the opening to the old 1960s TV show Ben Casey. It even includes two of those words, and I can imagine the others: [https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+opening+to+Ben+Casey&rlz=1C1EJFC\_enUS908US908&oq=youtube+opening+to+Ben+Casey&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l2.7504j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+opening+to+Ben+Casey&rlz=1C1EJFC_enUS908US908&oq=youtube+opening+to+Ben+Casey&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l2.7504j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Xjq1P5p3fso/hqdefault.jpg "MAN WOMAN BIRTH DEATH INFINITY - BEN CASEY") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjq1P5p3fso) ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1314 "2020-07-23T20:00:05Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > He put his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office for goodness sake!!! As opposed to shilling for a line of Goya beans arrayed across the Resolute desk in the Oval Office? I accept relaxed, congenial, non-ethics violating shoes every time. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1315 "2020-07-23T20:00:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Can i note that giving him 3 words about roughly similar objects… assuming Dotard is correct about the words he was asked to repeat\*… is not at all reflective of how the test is laid out in my 7.13.20 post above? > > \*LOL, but let’s assume, OK? His description of the test makes me think he fucked it up and his doctor just gaslighted him…and/or us. The five word repeat is given for the first time about halfway through - face velvet church daisy red are the five word in the sample test. Then there are several other exercises , number recall, counting backwards, word recall ( how many words that begin with “f” can you come up with in a minute) and an association test. After those exercises you are asked to repeat the original 5 words - face velvet church daisy red In the association test they give you two words and you need to find the similarity. They do this for two sets of words. Train-bicycle and watch -ruler are the pairs they give in the sample test. But I’m thinking that the alternate word set was man-woman and camera -TV. The answer to the first set would be, of course, person. The association test comes directly before the delayed recall test, when the patient is asked to repeat the 5 words. Here’s what I think happened. I think when the doctor asked him to repeat the 5 words he wrongly repeated the five words from the last question - man woman person camera TV - instead of the correct ones. And the doctor , who I’m sure is a Trump shill, decided to accept it and tell him how awesomely smart he was. So I don’t think he even passed the damn test and I bet he messed up other parts, too. I bet he can’t count backwards by 7’s, either. I wouldn’t be surprised if he couldn’t identify the rhino, either- it seems outside of the scope of his very limited intellectual curiosity. I wonder if the doctor breaks a sweat every time he hears Trump describe the test, because I think his description is a strong indicator that he couldn’t pass it. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1316 "2020-07-23T20:00:52Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > “They said nobody gets it in order, it’s actually not that easy. But for me it was easy. And that’s not an easy question,” he told Fox News medical analyst and New York University professor of medicine Marc K Siegel." Not gonna watch it, but … did Siegel call upon his ample experience to question DT’s interpretation of the results, or did he just nod and agree like a typical Fox toady? (In other words, was he more Fox News medical “analyst” or more New York University professor of medicine?) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1317 "2020-07-23T20:23:25Z")
More to the point - isn’t the mere fact that he was even asked to take the test in the first place enough to disqualify him as president? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1318 "2020-07-23T20:41:46Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > It’s what he was looking at. There were people, Keileghghgh McInane-y was probably there, and interviewer, a camera for the interview, and likely a monitor. This is it, guys. They weren’t going to give him a list of 5 words to remember 30+ minutes before the interview, Dotard was merely naming 5 things within his field of vision. “Just say the names of 5 things you see” has a higher probability of success than ‘repeat these 5 words in 60 minutes’ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1319 "2020-07-23T21:03:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah, but there was no remedy or take-back for his most offensive offense: Presidentin’ While Black. And Obama only did half a job at that! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1320 "2020-07-23T22:02:05Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > More to the point - isn’t the mere fact that he was even asked to take the test in the first place enough to disqualify him as president? As someone said someplace here, it’s a standard thing when you hit 65. Believe me, the first time you get it, you’ll be shocked-- hey! I’m not _old_! ⚠ Medicare requires it. Probably most everyone in Congress (both houses) has had it since they’re all a bunch of old farts. I guess Donald’s doc could have skipped it (but he was probably curious 😉 ). I get it every year at my “wellness” check. It’s No Big Deal. My friend (whom I’ve cited) who works with elderly said that even though it’s a simple test, nobody gets them all right-- even her teenaged daughter didn’t. It’s not an intelligence test, ya know? It’s not _Final Jeopardy_, FFS. It’s a test of executive function, i.e., “the mental processes that enable us to plan, focus attention, remember instructions, and juggle multiple tasks successfully.” ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1321 "2020-07-23T22:18:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln > > “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Franklin D. Roosevelt > > “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” Barack Obama > > “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” Donald Trump I stole that. Just so you know. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1322 "2020-07-23T22:24:26Z")
It’s OK, I’ve seen variants of the same since yesterday. Not a hard joke to steal, to be honest. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1323 "2020-07-24T00:34:21Z")
I don’t know anything about [Medium.com](http://Medium.com) and haven’t had much time to look them up but I found this kind of infuriating. [The Lead Federal Agency Responding to Protesters in Portland Employs Thousands of Private Contractors | by Bill Conroy | Medium](https://medium.com/@wkc6428/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0) TL: DR… **Congress needs to shine a light on the use of private security firms, including ‘Blackwater’ legacy companies, in Trump’s response to ongoing civil rights protests** ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1324 "2020-07-24T00:38:52Z")
Shit, don’t know where to put this, so putting it here. Enjoy! [https://twitter.com/flopp2024/status/1286313269469339651?s=09](https://twitter.com/flopp2024/status/1286313269469339651?s=09) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1325 "2020-07-24T00:53:54Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Shit, don’t know where to put this, so putting it here. Enjoy! What, no TL;DR so the rest of us will know if it’s worth clicking on? Okay, I took one for the Dope. Yes, it’s worth a click. Satirical video (4+ minutes) of Trump and all his major villainous cohorts singing a song in which they rhapsodize on how evil they all are. Senegoid sez: Well worth viewing once. Probably not quite worth viewing twice. Check it out! ETA: Oh, almost forgot: JohnT’s link gets you an abbreviated version. Here’s the full thang: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkLZxcGbj8) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1326 "2020-07-24T01:11:55Z")
Will say that I thought I shared the YouTube link. Sorry! ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1327 "2020-07-24T01:49:29Z")
Wait, I’m almost 67 and on Medicare and I haven’t been asked to take a cognitive test. Maybe it’s simply obvious that I’m too far gone already? Perhaps I’m even imagining this board? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1328 "2020-07-24T01:54:29Z")
Maybe. But then, who is imagining you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=67)