# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1790 "2020-08-04T00:30:41Z")
Wow. That is wrong in a dozen different ways. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1791 "2020-08-04T00:30:45Z")
Trump can also claim that he has the authority to be a “My Little Pony” for the day. He can claim most anything. > Nearly all election procedures are governed on a state-by-state basis, with the remainder set by Congress or enshrined in the Constitution. There is no precedent or apparent authority for Trump to try to curtail the use of mail-in ballots by executive order, though he could use a document to formalize his opposition to the practice. In other words, Trump is free to sign a document saying “I don’t like this” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1792 "2020-08-04T00:49:41Z")
From **Snoboarder Bo’s AP News** link: > [@](#): > > “I have the right to do it,” Trump told reporters at a White House press conference. “We haven’t gotten there yet, we’ll see what happens." Classic “we’ll see what happens” trump-trope to allow himself a bit of wiggle room for the eventual back-pedal. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1793 "2020-08-04T01:04:47Z")
The problem here is that Democracy is a very fragile thing. If enough people in power decide true Democracy is no longer in their best interest then they can bend institutions to their will. If the Republican controlled Senate goes along with trump on this, if the SCOTUS refuses to overrule him, if the military remains loyal to him because he won a rigged election, he remains president. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1794 "2020-08-04T01:16:34Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > The problem here is that Democracy is a very fragile thing. If enough people in power decide true Democracy is no longer in their best interest then they can bend institutions to their will. > > If the Republican controlled Senate goes along with trump on this, if the SCOTUS refuses to overrule him, if the military remains loyal to him because he won a rigged election, he remains president. - Nail-on-the-head times 1,000. This is what no one is much talking about. Republicans aren’t ignorant of the chaos they are creating by plunging the country into a depression with their choice to ignore all the financial hardship the citizenry now face. They know full well. This is the moment they are making their play to convert the country into a Putin-style “democracy” ruled by wealthy oligarchs. If they don’t do it now, they may never have another chance. They are going to fight to the death to cling to power. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1795 "2020-08-04T01:18:00Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > They are going to fight to the death to cling to power. If this is their plan, they will lose. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1796 "2020-08-04T01:22:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If this is their plan, they will lose Why-will you fight to stop them? That is what it will take for it to be stopped. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1797 "2020-08-04T01:27:32Z")
Fucking fuck this guy. I’m watching Immigration Nation on Netflix, and it’s infuriating how fucked up this administration is. Then I snap to the fact that this was the fucked up shit they did 2 years ago. Back when they were only fucking over immigrants and handing huge tax cuts to big companies and rich assholes. Ahh to be back in the day. Jump to now when thousands are dieing and millions out of work and he’s doing nothing. I hope he fucking ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1798 "2020-08-04T01:31:21Z")
Trump says if Microsoft buys TikTok, a “substantial portion” of the purchase price should go to the US Treasury. Because America First. Or something. > ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1799 "2020-08-04T01:39:25Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > They are going to fight to the death to cling to power. Well then, OK. Gonna screw up my vacation plans a bit. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1800 "2020-08-04T01:50:25Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > … if the military remains loyal to him … that remain a very big “if” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1801 "2020-08-04T01:55:31Z")
I suspect that Trump and his supporters will screw up mail voting so badly that people will attempt to vote by mail but realize that they can’t. Then they’ll try to vote, and perhaps a few will be confused enough to attempt voting by mail and in person just to make sure they get counted, and then… VOTER FRAUD! RIGGED! SCAM! NATIONAL EMERGENCY! PRESIDENT FOR LIFE! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1802 "2020-08-04T01:56:52Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > that remain a very big “if” Why? I would expect the military to say “It’s not our place to invalidate or argue election results. The official result it that Trump is the POTUS and we will serve him with honor” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1803 "2020-08-04T02:07:04Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Well then, OK. Gonna screw up my vacation plans a bit. There goes my manicure. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1804 "2020-08-04T02:11:52Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > The problem here is that Democracy is a very fragile thing. If enough people in power decide true Democracy is no longer in their best interest then they can bend institutions to their will. > > If the Republican controlled Senate goes along with trump on this, if the SCOTUS refuses to overrule him, if the military remains loyal to him because he won a rigged election, he remains president. People in power making decisions is only half of it. The other half is whether other people will follow their orders. I could decide to make myself King of America tomorrow. But my decision only matters if other people accept my authority and obey my royal decrees. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1805 "2020-08-04T02:17:17Z")
I don’t expect a full on French Revolution style take over of the government will ever happen in America. We are too fractured. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1806 "2020-08-04T02:17:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I could decide to make myself King of America tomorrow. But my decision only matters if other people accept my authority and obey my royal decrees. Emperor Norton had a pretty good run with it. > **[Emperor Norton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton)** > > Joshua Abraham Norton (c. 1818 – January 8, 1880) was a resident of San Francisco, California, who in 1859 proclaimed himself "Norton I., Emperor of the United States", commonly known as Emperor Norton. In 1863, after Napoleon III invaded Mexico, he took the secondary title of "Protector of Mexico". > Norton was born in England but spent most of his early life in South Africa. Leaving Cape Town, probably in late 1845, he arrived in Boston, via Liverpool, in March 1846 and San Francisco in late 1... ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1807 "2020-08-04T02:19:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > They are going to fight to the death to cling to power. The Nazis fought to the death to cling to power. The result was we killed a lot of Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1808 "2020-08-04T02:27:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > In other words, Trump is free to sign a document saying “I don’t like this” Mr. Trump should show his displeasure by refusing to campaign any further. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1809 "2020-08-04T02:36:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Just so no one misses it: > [Trump claims authority to issue order on mail-in votes | AP News](https://apnews.com/d64defdd9960885f1fbe6be2f8714afe) This is the “Trump claims authority to issue order on mail-in votes” article. Why doesn’t he just cut through all the intermediate bullshit and just declare himself President-for-Life right now? What, too obvious? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=91)