# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1970 "2020-08-06T15:08:49Z")
It’s crazy I know - but just look at that picture of Mike Pence in my post. He’s tall, stoic, well built, and has the gray hair of a wise leader. When he calls somebody a “disappointment” it should cut straight to their soul! How on Earth can you expect a man like that to deceive us??? - Caution - This post may contain extreme sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1971 "2020-08-06T15:09:59Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > Mike Pence believes John Roberts is a disappointment to conservatives. Seeing his quote below I’m reminded of the wise words of Tywin Lannister, “everything said before the ‘but’ doesn’t count”. And is him saying this going to make Roberts _more_ likely or _less_ likely to favor the Republicans in his decisions? Because were I Roberts and had I the legal leeway in a decision to lean one way or the other, I’d be sorely tempted to deliver a hearty “fuck you” to the Republicans for that. Fortunately most of the Justices are more professional that I am. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1972 "2020-08-06T15:15:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And is him saying this going to make Roberts _more_ likely or _less_ likely to favor the Republicans in his decisions? Because were I Roberts and had I the legal leeway in a decision to lean one way or the other, I’d be sorely tempted to deliver a hearty “fuck you” to the Republicans for that. I think todays Republicans would consider Roberts a “RINO”. Frankly, I have no problem with conservative beliefs - I share a number of them. At one point I was a Republican, then a RINO, then “independent” (I realized I wasn’t a Republican at all at this point but wasn’t yet ready to identify as a Democrat) then ultimately I accepted that in today’s world I’m a true blue Democrat. To answer your question, yeah, I feel great when I can deliver a hearty fuck you to my right leaning friends. I have to check my beliefs now when I think about voting to know if I’m voting my heart or just voting to piss off Republicans. Fortunately, the answer to both is usually YES! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1973 "2020-08-06T16:59:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And is him saying this going to make Roberts _more_ likely or _less_ likely to favor the Republicans in his decisions? Because were I Roberts and had I the legal leeway in a decision to lean one way or the other, I’d be sorely tempted to deliver a hearty “fuck you” to the Republicans for that. If I were a conservative I’d be more worried that Roberts might on some, perhaps even subconscious level, think “Well if I start making more conservative opinions now then I really DO look like a lapdog of the current administration, don’t I?” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1974 "2020-08-06T17:29:44Z")
Yeah, well, [uh](https://catholicvoiceomaha.com/transcript-of-ewtn-news-nightly-interview-with-president-donald-trump/), > [@Kumquat](#): > > Well, I think anybody having to do with, frankly, religion, but certainly the Catholic Church, you have to be with President Trump when it comes to pro-life, when it comes to all of the things, these people are going to take all of your rights away, including Second Amendment, because, you know, Catholics like their Second Amendment. So I saved the Second Amendment. If I wasn’t here, you wouldn’t have a Second Amendment. And pro-life is your big thing and you won’t be on that side of the issue, I guarantee, if the radical left, because they’re going to take over, they’re going to push him around like he was nothing. I am the Constitution ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1975 "2020-08-06T17:32:38Z")
I think trump did want to win in 2016, but he never wanted the responsibility, just the power and prestige. He probably wants to win even more now than he did then, but I think he wanted to win. Maybe in the primaries it was more of an attention getting stunt but not after he won the nomination. Just MHO. He’s not known for hiring the best and brightest and taking their advice, but he must have someone on his campaign team that knows about the EC and how to best manipulate it. He probably didn’t even know how American elections work, but he has someone who does. Maybe Putin hooked him up. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1976 "2020-08-06T17:44:23Z")
I would’ve thought that was one of Smapti’s Trumpian parodies. He’s really grasping. (“uh…let’s see…I’m talking to Catholics. What do they like? anti-abortion, got that. Guns, right? Everybody likes guns, right?”) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1978 "2020-08-06T18:04:43Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > **“Look, we have great respect for the institution of the Supreme Court of the United States,”** Pence [told] the Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody on Wednesday. **“But Chief Justice John Roberts has been a disappointment to conservatives** Quote was from Pence. It seems clear to me that Pence is saying that Supreme court justices need to vote and rule only on behalf of one part of the country only; that Justice Roberts has forgotten that his oath was to serve conservatives. I’m amazed that Pence said this out loud. He has clearly and unequivocally stated that Justices in the Supreme Court should rule NOT on the law, or by following the constitution - but rather they should rule in a partisan fashion to please one single political party or movement. Astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1979 "2020-08-06T18:04:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s misogynist because it reduces a woman’s worth to her attractiveness. While I did misread the genders involved, it is just as misogynistic to imply a woman’s worth is based on her attractiveness as a dating/sexual partner to other women as to other men. It is still judging a woman solely on her gender and not on anything relevant to what she does for a living or for a cause. You are beating a dead horse. Your response is either based on your inability to read or your inability to comprehend simple sentences. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1980 "2020-08-06T18:06:41Z")
Please read the whole thread before you reply. This has already been hashed out. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1981 "2020-08-06T18:07:28Z")
Individual 1 says the success of his policies will end racism. > **[Trump rejects Obama's call to boost voting, says 'success' will heal racism](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-rejects-obamas-call-boost-150200895.html)** > > U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday flatly rejected the need for direct action to address racism in the United States, dismissing his predecessor's call for sweeping steps to boost civil and voting rights ahead of the Nov. 3 election. The... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1982 "2020-08-06T18:17:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It seems clear to me that Pence is saying that Supreme court justices need to vote and rule only on behalf of one part of the country only; that Justice Roberts has forgotten that his oath was to serve conservatives. > > I’m amazed that Pence said this out loud. He has clearly and unequivocally stated that Justices in the Supreme Court should rule NOT on the law, or by following the constitution - but rather they should rule in a partisan fashion to please one single political party or movement. > > Astounding. Yup, yup, and yup. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1983 "2020-08-06T18:20:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > (post withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in **876000 hours** unless flagged) Why not just say it will be deleted in 100 years? Why convert 100 years into hours? (Not that I’ll care in 100 years.) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1984 "2020-08-06T18:22:45Z")
When Pence says “conservatives”, he means Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1985 "2020-08-06T18:26:55Z")
He means Trumpians. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1986 "2020-08-06T18:30:00Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > When Pence says “conservatives”, he means Christians. White, male Christians. Women, maybe, if they’re standing right next to their husbands. And not saying anything. Or looking at anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1987 "2020-08-06T18:30:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says the success of his policies will end racism. He’s one step away from saying he has a final solution to the race problem. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1988 "2020-08-06T18:33:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > White, male Christians. Women, maybe, if they’re standing right next to their husbands. And not saying anything. Or looking at anybody. Pence believes that women should have the right to vote for the candidate of their husband’s choosing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1989 "2020-08-06T18:52:45Z")
This isn’t really surprising, though; republicans have been nominating partisans since the 1980s, and to be fair, Democrats have looked for left-leaning partisans as well. The Courts have been gamed by the system. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/1990 "2020-08-06T19:27:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Why not just say it will be deleted in 100 years? Why convert 100 years into hours? (Not that I’ll care in 100 years.) When you’re a head in the jar, you’ll care. [![](https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/futurama/thumb/4/47/Nimoy.jpg/468px-Nimoy.jpg) ](https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/futurama/thumb/4/47/Nimoy.jpg/468px-Nimoy.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=100)