# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1001
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20005 "2018-05-04T17:28:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Decency, integrity, honesty, competence, class, and–oh yeah-- drain the swamp. The people who voted for him don’t want that. Or care about that. The same people who say he is doing a good job in the polls. I don’t know what is so surprising about that. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20006 "2018-05-04T17:29:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > As said above, the economy is doing fine, war threat is down. What more do you want? Well, I _didn’t_ want a clusterfuck so clusterfucky that we needed 20,000 posts in the first year and a third… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20007 "2018-05-04T17:31:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s because many people already know that it was going to be a clusterfuckery. I’m honestly surprised that anyone here is surprised that it is a clusterfuckery. > > As said above, the economy is doing fine, war threat is down. What more do you want? Democracy? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20008 "2018-05-04T17:31:33Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Well, I _didn’t_ want 20,000 posts’ worth of clusterfuckery. Why not? Something to do, anyway 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20009 "2018-05-04T17:32:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Democracy? I’m not certain how we no longer have Democracy, but if you say so. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20010 "2018-05-04T17:38:26Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why not? Something to do, anyway 🙂 Just this morning over breakfast I called this place “cheap therapy”… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20011 "2018-05-04T17:46:09Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > … his poll numbers have been increasing to a high. This is not really true. 538 has his poll numbers quite steadily looping around 40% since around StonemanDouglas Day. There might be an uptick, but the next upfuck is just right around the corner. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20012 "2018-05-04T18:03:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not certain how we no longer have Democracy, but if you say so. To have a functioning democracy, you need to have certain things that we don’t seem to have right now: (1) Leaders who at least make some attempt at some level of veracity in their statements. (2) A citizenry a strong majority of whom are not a bunch of ignorant dumb f-cks willing to believe any lies that they are fed. I am sure people here can add on to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20013 "2018-05-04T18:12:06Z")
Strange. I thought to have a Democracy, there needed to be a mechanism for the citizens to vote for their choice of who they want to run the government. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20014 "2018-05-04T18:20:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Strange. I thought to have a Democracy, there needed to be a mechanism for the citizens to vote for their choice of who they want to run the government. I’m pretty sure the basic theory was for those elected to actually represent the interests of those who elected them, but _that_ ship sailed as soon as it became clear that the best source of income for a politician wasn’t the wage paid by their electorate. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20015 "2018-05-04T18:21:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Strange. I thought to have a Democracy, there needed to be a mechanism for the citizens to vote for their choice of who they want to run the government. Yeah, and if one side gets more votes, they win! Well, sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20016 "2018-05-04T18:23:36Z")
A lot of people confuse “having democracy” with “having a functioning and fair government”, somehow unaware that “idiots voting for idiots” and the tyranny of the majority has always been known as dangers of this form of government. Most democratic systems have been designed to reduce the risks, but there are none that are proof against a misinformed and malignant electorate. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20017 "2018-05-04T18:23:39Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I’m pretty sure the basic theory was for those elected to actually represent the interests of those who elected them, but _that_ ship sailed as soon as it became clear that the best source of income for a politician wasn’t the wage paid by their electorate. Sure, but that didn’t just start in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20018 "2018-05-04T18:33:23Z")
Because greed has a cap, a guy who has ten million dollars has _enough_, and will not debase himself or his country to have twenty million. This is why so many of our Founding Fuckups believed that public officials should not be paid, because government is best when its controlled by gentlemen of property and substance. By a happy coincidence, themselves. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20019 "2018-05-04T18:41:09Z")
After all the recent news about Trump’s physicians, here is a recent (and hilarious) health [update](https://www.thedailybeast.com/breaking-from-trumps-doctors-most-remarkable-physical-specimen-of-all-time). > [@](#): > > A Memo On The President’s Health > > By Drs. David Dennison, John Barron, and John Miller > > This letter is to certify Donald Trump’s continued robust good health, genius-plus level intellect, and physical perfection. As America’s healthiest President (and many people are saying) the healthiest human being in the world, Mr. Trump is a golden Adonis, a specimen of masculinity so perfect that in the annals of medical science we have been unable to find anyone who can rival him. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20020 "2018-05-04T20:11:02Z")
I and others have mentioned the economy, but apparently his voters care more “status threat”. [https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718155115](https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718155115) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20021 "2018-05-04T20:44:53Z")
_better music_ In the 1970s, I had to buy my Annette Hanshaw and Ruth Etting recordings on reprint LPs for $4-5 apiece. Now I listen to them on Spotify for free. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20022 "2018-05-04T21:02:00Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > A Memo On The President’s Health > > By Drs. David Dennison, John Barron, and John Miller > > This letter is to certify Donald Trump’s continued robust good health, genius-plus level intellect, and physical perfection. As America’s healthiest President (and many people are saying) the healthiest human being in the world, Mr. Trump is a golden Adonis, a specimen of masculinity so perfect that in the annals of medical science we have been unable to find anyone who can rival him. And I’ll - oops - he’ll live to 200, the greatest longevity ever! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20023 "2018-05-04T21:52:25Z")
> [@naita](#): > > but there are none that are proof against a misinformed and malignant electorate. DISinformed, please. Our problem isn’t that the facts aren’t readily available. Our problem is that it’s in the interest of several segments of our polity to make sure the people are fed false information and encouraged to swallow it hook, line and sinker. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20024 "2018-05-04T22:04:21Z")
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