# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1008
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20145 "2018-05-09T01:57:20Z")
It just reinforces my suspicion that Trump is, indeed, working directly for Putin and/or Russian interests. This nonsensical move does nothing but reduce American prestige, and reduce American influence - to the benefit of Russia and her ruling oligarchy. He’s done nothing but sow confusion and division since he started running. It may just be that he’s a narcissistic asshole with a vendetta for Obama…but I can’t think what he would be doing differently if he were working directly for the Kremlin. Just saw this: > [@voltaire](#): > > The thing about any/all of those countries keeping the deal together is that the US will sanction the _companies_ from all those countries that do business with Iran. So the country itself may not have sanctions against Iran, but very few of the major companies in that country will touch Iran, fearing the US sanctions against their company will cut them off from US trade and banking systems. Pretty much. Boeing is about to lose a $16.6 billion contract, by the way, from what I’ve seen flow across my twitter feed. Way to shoot yourself and your allies in the foot, further deepening the rift you’ve been so busily creating, Trump! ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20146 "2018-05-09T02:05:16Z")
Oh, and for everybody looking for the reasoning, my guess is that it’s all part of some “grand” bargain between the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel. We could be seeing S.A. and Israel delivering on their end in due course. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20147 "2018-05-09T02:30:02Z")
Excellent - more American lancing of boils! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20148 "2018-05-09T02:36:32Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > It just reinforces my suspicion that Trump is, indeed, working directly for Putin and/or Russian interests. This nonsensical move does nothing but reduce American prestige, and reduce American influence - to the benefit of Russia and her ruling oligarchy. He’s done nothing but sow confusion and division since he started running. > > It may just be that he’s a narcissistic asshole with a vendetta for Obama…but I can’t think what he would be doing differently if he were working directly for the Kremlin. > Just saw this: > Pretty much. Boeing is about to lose a $16.6 billion contract, by the way, from what I’ve seen flow across my twitter feed. Way to shoot yourself and your allies in the foot, further deepening the rift you’ve been so busily creating, Trump! Allies? What allies? Pretty sure Washington went blue in ‘16… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20149 "2018-05-09T02:42:29Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Pretty much. Boeing is about to lose a $16.6 billion contract, by the way, from what I’ve seen flow across my twitter feed. Way to shoot yourself and your allies in the foot, further deepening the rift you’ve been so busily creating, Trump! Thing I read (Stonekettle) was it is more like 20 when you add it all up. And Boeing is a DJIA stock, so the market numbers will take a hit, unless Boeing can somehow launder their planes. I am the weirdo (other than the Sultan of Qatar) who believes that Iran has the potential to be the best stabilizing force in the region, if only we would stop being their avowed enemy. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20150 "2018-05-09T02:44:19Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Allies? What allies? Pretty sure Washington went blue in ‘16… Boeing has plants in Kansas and South Carolina, who stand to suffer from loss of business. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20151 "2018-05-09T02:52:21Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Thing I read (Stonekettle) was it is more like 20 when you add it all up. And Boeing is a DJIA stock, so the market numbers will take a hit, unless Boeing can somehow launder their planes. > > I am the weirdo (other than the Sultan of Qatar) who believes that Iran has the potential to be the best stabilizing force in the region, if only we would stop being their avowed enemy. It’s heartbreaking. They were moderating toward western ways at a decent clip until they were named as a member of the GWB “axis of evil” and we invaded Iraq on the basis of false pretenses. I can remember when Iranian youth were admiring of the USA and emulated our own youth culture. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20152 "2018-05-09T02:56:50Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Allies? What allies? Pretty sure Washington went blue in ‘16… “Allies” as in England, France, etc. Sort of clumsily segued into a general rant, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20153 "2018-05-09T03:06:51Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > The people I know who are against the deal- which is most of them, I think- believe that Iran is cheating and playing with nukes anyway. > > I’ll admit, I was against the Iran deal when it was first proposed for pretty much that reason. Thanks. For anybody who believes that, then yes, it does make a lick of sense. Would you say this is an emotional argument for opposing the deal? Or do you have evidence of Iran’s cheating? Do you mind if I ask whether you are an Israeli? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20154 "2018-05-09T03:54:08Z")
I can’t believe anyone is surprised Chump withdrew from the Iranian deal. That could be seen coming from a long way away. And the European leaders ought to know by now that telling him what to do is like waving a red cape before a bull. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20155 "2018-05-09T03:56:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Boeing has plants in Kansas and South Carolina, who stand to suffer from loss of business. Maybe we can build planes out of coal, tobacco, and corn stalks ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20156 "2018-05-09T04:01:44Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I can’t believe anyone is surprised Chump withdrew from the Iranian deal. That could be seen coming from a long way away. And the European leaders ought to know by now that\*\* telling him what to do is like waving a red cape before a bull.\*\* I meant telling him what _not_ to do is like waving a red cape before a bull. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20157 "2018-05-09T04:11:15Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Oh, and for everybody looking for the reasoning, my guess is that it’s all part of some “grand” bargain between the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel. We could be seeing S.A. and Israel delivering on their end in due course. Israel just bombed Syria. > **[Syria blames Israel for missile strike near Damascus](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44046049)** > > State media say missiles were intercepted near Damascus, but activists say an Iranian facility was hit. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20158 "2018-05-09T05:27:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Israel just bombed Syria. > [Syria blames Israel for missile strike near Damascus](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44046049) Hey, Americans! Get ready for a geography lesson! (the tail is on **the back end** of the dog) ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20159 "2018-05-09T06:17:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But right now, with unemployment near historic lows, with a stock market that has gained several thousand points from where it was in late 2016, with tax cuts, with a supreme court justice of their liking in hand, with illegal immigration down, and with possible peace in North Korea…why would his supporters believe that he’s a failure? Agree. I think most Republicans in this country view Trump’s term so far as a smashing success, and will enthusiastically vote to re-elect him in 2020, and I do believe that he will indeed serve a second term. The only question for me is whether the second Trump victory will shock the country and the world as much as the first one did. I don’t know. Looking back on my past, I feel like people were more shocked by the second George W. Bush victory than the first one. It was like, “oh my God, AGAIN?!!” I think it might be like that with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20160 "2018-05-09T08:53:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I meant telling him what _not_ to do is like waving a red cape before a bull. Dear President Trump: please don’t drop dead. Love, most of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20161 "2018-05-09T11:37:30Z")
Richard Grenell, Trump’s new ambassador in Germany sent this tweet on his first day on the job: “As @realDonaldTrump said, US sanctions will target critical sectors of Iran’s economy. German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.” Was not well received. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20162 "2018-05-09T11:54:18Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I would think he would want to craft a reason that made logical sense. What fucking planet have you been on for the last two years? Hell, what fucking universe have you been in for the last two plus years? “Trump” and “Make logical sense” are antonyms of the first order. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20163 "2018-05-09T12:25:11Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Richard Grenell, Trump’s new ambassador in Germany sent this tweet on his first day on the job: “As @realDonaldTrump said, US sanctions will target critical sectors of Iran’s economy. German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.” > Was not well received. Diplomacy is hard. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20164 "2018-05-09T12:32:33Z")
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