# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2021 "2017-03-09T19:31:28Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Is this fucktard really denying Canada has socialized healthcare? LOL Well, it doesn’t. Canada has socialized _health insurance_. Yes, there’s a difference. Unlike, say, the UK’s NHS, Canada did not nationalize the provision of health care. Doctors and nurses aren’t employees of the feds. My family doctor is basically a businesswoman who runs a partnership with a bunch of other doctors. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2022 "2017-03-09T19:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > In my opinion, ultraliberal leftists are represented by the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid-Obama-Warren wing of the Democratic Party You really have no clue what a leftist is, do you? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2023 "2017-03-09T19:34:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You really have no clue what a leftist is, do you? Dictionary definition: a person with left-wing political views. I know full well what a leftist is. Of course, not all liberals are leftists. I personally identity as a classical liberal, a supporter of free markets, free economy etc. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2024 "2017-03-09T19:36:06Z")
He should know. They’re hiding under his bed and in his closet. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2025 "2017-03-09T19:37:18Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Dictionary definition: a person with left-wing political views. That just moves it back a step - you don’t know what “left wing” means. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2026 "2017-03-09T19:39:06Z")
Here we go again. [EPA chief disagrees that carbon dioxide is primary cause of global warming](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-scott-pruitt-epa-global-warming-20170309-story.html). Where do we find such people? Oh yeah, [Oklahoma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Pruitt). ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2027 "2017-03-09T19:41:47Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I’ll give you that: as much respect as I have for George W., he did nonetheless allow spending to soar out of control on federal entitlements and education while two wars were going on, which lead to the monstrous deficit. Principled Republicans, like then-Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, opposed his Wall Street bailout, his governed the-expanding unpaid for Medicare prescription drug entitlement, as well as other free-spending measures. Bush just allowed spending to soar out of control, eh? Republicans controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress; what a shame they couldn’t do anything to stop it. I guess it’s nobody’s fault then. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2028 "2017-03-09T19:44:33Z")
This guy says he’s in university; he may be too young to remember that to Republicans, Deficits Don’t Matter. Seems to have a lock on the ‘making his own reality’ stunt that was so popular among the last bunch of Republican scumbags that held the White House. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2029 "2017-03-09T19:48:53Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Bush just allowed spending to soar out of control, eh? Republicans controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress; what a shame they couldn’t do anything to stop it. I guess it’s nobody’s fault then. No, the weak, corrupt Republican leadership of Tom Delay, Dennis Hastert and Frist are responsible too for the big-spending measures they allowed to pass, as are the Republicans who were too weak to oppose the bills. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2030 "2017-03-09T19:51:43Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > A hospital is not socialist; it prodouces and provides goods and services to treat patients with curative, preventive, rehabilitative, and palliative care So it’s okay to put all hospitals under control of the government because that’s not socialism? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2031 "2017-03-09T19:53:06Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > This guy says he’s in university; he may be too young to remember that to Republicans, Deficits Don’t Matter. > > Seems to have a lock on the ‘making his own reality’ stunt that was so popular among the last bunch of Republican scumbags that held the White House. The Cheney view–that deficits don’t matter–was more defensible 16 years ago than it is today, given how much national debt we currently have, although I would argue that even then Cheney was wrong to say that. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2032 "2017-03-09T19:54:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That just moves it back a step - you don’t know what “left wing” means. What then? Are you seriously telling me that the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid-Obama-Warren wing of the Democratic Party isn’t leftist/left-wing, but right-wing and conservative? Or are you telling me that socialized healthcare and insurance is not a left-wing goal, but a conservative/right-wing one? You can’t be that dense? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2033 "2017-03-09T20:07:47Z")
> [@](#): > > What then? Are you seriously telling me that the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid-Obama-Warren wing of the Democratic Party isn’t leftist/left-wing, but right-wing and conservative? Middle-of-the-road corporatist. > [@](#): > > Or are you telling me that socialized healthcare and insurance is not a left-wing goal, but a conservative/right-wing one? It’s a liberal goal, since conservatives want people to die, but it’s not a left wing goal. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2034 "2017-03-09T20:10:53Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > This guy says he’s in university; he may be too young to remember that to Republicans, Deficits Don’t Matter. > > Seems to have a lock on the ‘making his own reality’ stunt that was so popular among the last bunch of Republican scumbags that held the White House. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > The Cheney view–that deficits don’t matter–was more defensible 16 years ago than it is today, given how much national debt we currently have, although I would argue that even then Cheney was wrong to say that. If it was defensible to say 16 years ago that deficits didn’t matter, why was it so important to bring them down under the Clinton administration, which you’ve already credited to Republicans? To hear Republicans, deficits were no big deal under Reagan and Bush the Elder, then they were a big deal under Clinton, didn’t matter at all under Bush the Younger, and then were a huge problem under Obama. I fully expect the current crop of Republicans to raise spending, mostly on the military (whether the Pentagon asks for it or not), cut taxes on the wealthy, and increase the deficit. Again. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2035 "2017-03-09T20:16:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > He should know. They’re hiding under his bed and in his closet. Some view it as hiding, others view it as being held against their will. It’s all a matter of perspective. Like one’s view of socialism. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2036 "2017-03-09T20:17:42Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s a liberal goal, since conservatives want people to die, but it’s not a left wing goal. Liberals are left-wing. You’re trying to make it seem like they’re antonyms, but they’re not. “Conservatives want people to die.” Ah, the classic ad-hominen “conservatives are heartless” stereotype. That isn’t cool, man. Last time I checked, conservatives don’t support the deaths of unborn children and the means to carry out those deaths, unlike liberals. I mean, come on. Do we truly believe that ALL red-state residents are ignorant racist fascist knuckle-dragging NASCAR-obsessed cousin-marrying roadkill-eating tobacco-juice-dribbling gun-fondling religious fanatic rednecks; or that ALL blue-state residents are godless unpatriotic pierced-nose Volvo-driving France-loving left-wing communist latte-sucking tofu-chomping holistic-wacko neurotic vegan weenie perverts? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2037 "2017-03-09T20:19:05Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > What then? Are you seriously telling me that I don’t take you seriously enough to seriously tell you anything. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2038 "2017-03-09T20:20:22Z")
> [@](#): > > I fully expect the current crop of Republicans to raise spending, mostly on the military (whether the Pentagon asks for it or not). Don’t hold your breath; the Republicans and Mr. Trump will do no such thing. Mr. Trump has shown himself to be willing to make hard, budget cuts when necessary; he currently is looking at slashing the State Department’s budget by 37 percent and the USAID’s budget by the same figure. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2039 "2017-03-09T20:26:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Don’t hold your breath; the Republicans and Mr. Trump will do no such thing. > > Mr. Trump has shown himself to be willing to make hard, budget cuts when necessary; he currently is looking at slashing the State Department’s budget by 37 percent and the USAID’s budget by the same figure. So he can spend $25 billion dollars on a wall and on increase military spending by 54 billion. You should make sure to read all the news, not just the stuff that gives you that sweet anti-liberal dopamine rush. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2040 "2017-03-09T20:26:12Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > “Conservatives want people to die.” Ah, the classic ad-hominen “conservatives are heartless” stereotype. That isn’t cool, man. Last time I checked, conservatives don’t support the deaths of unborn children and the means to carry out those deaths, unlike liberals. Yeah, but the minute you’re out of the womb it’s all - pull yourself up by your own bootstraps kid, be prepared to defend yourself and god help you (literally) if you get sick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=103)