# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1038
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20745 "2018-05-29T02:29:16Z")
> [@j666](#): > > … > I’m not surprised by his tweets today; I’m just wondering what horrible act he is hoping to distract us from. THAT is a very good question. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20746 "2018-05-29T03:09:51Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well, he did make it ALL about him again. according to this line of shit he spewed today, He seems to think all the veterans (even the dead ones) are using this day to give thanks for Trump… > > This is supposed to be a solemn day reflecting on the ultimate sacrifice made by patriotic men and women who didn’t get five deferments for a made-up ailment. Trump sees today as a happy holiday to play golf… and then somehow managed to make this day all about him—using the same horse shit lies about the economy that only his idiot supporters eat up. To understand his Tweets today, all you have to know is that he pronounces the holiday as "ME"morial Day… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20747 "2018-05-29T03:34:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This is supposed to be a solemn day reflecting on the ultimate sacrifice made by patriotic men and women who didn’t get five deferments for a made-up ailment. Trump sees today as a happy holiday to play golf… For other people, Memorial Day is a day to remember those who died in service to the nation. But for Donald Trump, it was just Monday. Or Thursday. Or alternate weekends. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20748 "2018-05-29T04:03:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > For other people, Memorial Day is a day to remember those who died in service to the nation. But for Donald Trump, it was just Monday. Or Thursday. Or alternate weekends. [This](http://bit.do/ekENh)is what Memorial Day was for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20749 "2018-05-29T04:28:50Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > [This](http://bit.do/ekENh)is what Memorial Day was for Donald Trump. Please. Please tell me that’s not for real. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20750 "2018-05-29T05:02:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Please. Please tell me that’s not for real. You would hope not, [but…](https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/28/maga-memorial-day-sale/) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20751 "2018-05-29T14:54:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The irony of his fascist behavior is that today even Hitler gets more positive press than he does. Well, yeah. “Hitler: Still Dead!” I’ve never seen a headline about trump nearly as positive. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20752 "2018-05-29T15:13:09Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > While I still see the occasional “Cheetolini” or other epithet, more and more often it seems people are defaulting to Donny TwoScoops. I like Donny Two-scoops, but I use Cheetolini, Il Douche and Herr Twitler interchangeable. Orange faced shit gibbon is just too darn long and unwieldy. But if I’m just mentioning something the Poseur In Chief did, I just use “trump”. He doesn’t deserve capital letter, even at the start of a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20753 "2018-05-29T15:22:49Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Please. Please tell me that’s not for real. Oh, it’s real alright. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20754 "2018-05-29T15:46:05Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I like Donny Two-scoops, but I use Cheetolini, Il Douche and Herr Twitler interchangeable. Orange faced shit gibbon is just too darn long and unwieldy. > > But if I’m just mentioning something the Poseur In Chief did, I just use “trump”. He doesn’t deserve capital letter, even at the start of a sentence. I like one I came up with: Occupy White House. Sometimes I’ll expand it to Occupy White House Himself. Let’s face it; that SOB isn’t doing much more than simply occupying the place. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20755 "2018-05-29T15:51:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The irony of his fascist behavior is that today even Hitler gets more positive press than he does. Hitler gets way more positive press than Trump _among Trump’s supporters_. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20756 "2018-05-29T15:52:46Z")
I don’t wanna let this go unnoticed: [Lobbyist tied to Perry seeks energy firm bailout](https://apnews.com/e620b6cb527d41ebbb1c27974d771822/New-swamp:-Lobbyist-tied-to-Perry-seeks-energy-firm-bailout): > [@](#): > > At a West Virginia rally on tax cuts, President Donald Trump veered off on a subject that likely puzzled most of his audience. > > “Nine of your people just came up to me outside. ’Could you talk about 202?’” he said. “We’ll be looking at that 202. You know what a 202 is? We’re trying.” > > One person who undoubtedly knew what Trump was talking about last month was Jeff Miller, an energy lobbyist with whom the president had dined the night before. Miller had been hired by FirstEnergy Solutions, a bankrupt power company that relies on coal and nuclear energy to produce electricity. His assignment: push the Trump administration to use a so-called 202 order — named for a provision of the Federal Power Act — to secure a bailout worth billions of dollars. The article details Mr. Miller’s history (or “career”, if you prefer) but also notes many times that this is not what a drained swamp should look like: > [@](#): > > How a single lobbyist helped carry a long-shot idea from obscurity to the presidential stage is a twisty journey through the new swamp of Trump’s Washington. Rather than clearing out the lobbyists and campaign donors that spend big money to sway politicians, Trump and his advisers paved the way for a new cast of powerbrokers who have quickly embraced familiar ways to wield influence. > > Miller is among them. > [@](#): > > He is an active supporter of America First Action, a pro-Trump super PAC that raised $4.7 million in the first three months of 2018. That work earned him a spot at dinner with Trump, McCarthy and other GOP donors in the upscale City Center complex blocks from the White House. > > “What happened to draining the political swamp?” asks Dick Munson with the Environmental Defense Fund, who said he sees FirstEnergy and other coal operators “grasping” for bailouts to solve problems of their own making. “It seems when you don’t have solid arguments, you hire well-paid lobbyists and make huge political contributions.” > > Miller declined to comment for this story. > [@](#): > > But Tim Judson, executive director of Nuclear Information and Resource Service, an activist group, called Miller’s involvement in the bailout request the ultimate “Washington swamp” situation. > > “We have a special-interest appeal by FirstEnergy, a top lobbyist dining with the president, and that same lobbyist is raising money for a pro-Trump super PAC and asking for ‘emergency action’ from someone whose presidential campaign he ran,” Judson said. So far the bailout hasn’t happened, but it appears that the main point of contention is the mechanism of the 202 provision; it seems that Perry and some others instead want to invoke nearly 70 year old law from the Korean War: > [@](#): > > Still, the push for a bailout continues. > > Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., recently suggested that Perry consider using a Korean War-era defense law to prevent the retirement of ailing coal and nuclear units. The Defense Production Act of 1950 is intended to prioritize industries deemed vital to national security. President Harry Truman used the law to cap wages and impose price controls on the steel industry. > > FirstEnergy said it supports the premise, although it says it has not specifically urged Perry to use the defense law. > > Perry said the administration is looking at the defense law “very closely,” one of several options being considered. I know most of us hate her and her books, but I’m constantly reminded by their actions of how Trump and his supporters think that they are Hank Reardens and Dagny Taggarts but they are really Wesley Mouchs. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20757 "2018-05-29T16:17:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I don’t wanna let this go unnoticed: [Lobbyist tied to Perry seeks energy firm bailout](https://apnews.com/e620b6cb527d41ebbb1c27974d771822/New-swamp:-Lobbyist-tied-to-Perry-seeks-energy-firm-bailout):The article details Mr. Miller’s history (or “career”, if you prefer) but also notes many times that this is not what a drained swamp should look like:So far the bailout hasn’t happened, but it appears that the main point of contention is the mechanism of the 202 provision; it seems that Perry and some others instead want to invoke nearly 70 year old law from the Korean War:I know most of us hate her and her books, but I’m constantly reminded by their actions of how Trump and his supporters think that they are Hank Reardens and Dagny Taggarts but they are really Wesley Mouchs. Ha! I made that same analogy months ago, in regards to the Looters Tax Bill. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20758 "2018-05-29T16:39:28Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > that SOB isn’t doing much more than simply occupying the place. And undoing every policy enacted during his predecessor’s tenure. If any are left, it’s because he hasn’t got to them yet. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20759 "2018-05-29T18:36:40Z")
Executives of big U.S. companies suggest that the days of most people getting a pay raise are over, and that they also plan to reduce their work forces further. > ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20760 "2018-05-29T18:59:07Z")
While this is typical big-business “who cares about the workers” stuff, I’m not really seeing how it specifically ties into Trump Administration clusterfuckery. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20761 "2018-05-29T19:03:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > While this is typical big-business “who cares about the workers” stuff, I’m not really seeing how it specifically ties into Trump Administration clusterfuckery. Wasn’t it big part of how the tax cuts were sold to the general public? “Everybody will get a huge raise! And bonuses too!” they said. No; everybody won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20762 "2018-05-29T19:03:20Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > While this is typical big-business “who cares about the workers” stuff, I’m not really seeing how it specifically ties into Trump Administration clusterfuckery. It is a repudiation of the Trump tax cuts which were supposed to increase wages and employment. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20763 "2018-05-29T19:04:36Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > While this is typical big-business “who cares about the workers” stuff, I’m not really seeing how it specifically ties into Trump Administration clusterfuckery. Trumps candidacy, along with the fiscal policies that have been touted and even passed by conservatives, were supposedly focused on providing jobs for American workers. I suppose it is more “What promises did trump make to get elected that he had no intention on following through on?” thread material, but it does contribute to the clusterfuck that is trump. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20764 "2018-05-29T19:24:48Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I like Donny Two-scoops, but I use Cheetolini, Il Douche and Herr Twitler interchangeable. Orange faced shit gibbon is just too darn long and unwieldy. > > But if I’m just mentioning something the Poseur In Chief did, I just use “trump”. He doesn’t deserve capital letter, even at the start of a sentence. I prefer President Snowflake, and my new favorite, Tweety Amin [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1037) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1039)