# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1049
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20965 "2018-06-03T20:55:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > maybe they’ll have time to think about the error of their ways. Aw, that’s just so goshdarn cute! C’mon, do it again! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20966 "2018-06-03T20:57:38Z")
Ok, so you answer the question then, since it clearly irritates you quite a bit. If Trump can pardon himself, then surely Hillary could have, right? ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20967 "2018-06-03T21:14:42Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He probably does that, “jerking the market around”, to make some money for himself. Manipulation for profit. I’m wondering if he didn’t give a heads-up to a few of his cronies. The tax cut they got was nice and all that, but why stop there? Is making a tidy profit from advance knowledge of economic indicators a crime? I’m thinking that technically it’s not inside trading. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20968 "2018-06-03T21:42:21Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > No, this is a perfectly valid question that places their hated enemy in the same position and asks if they would support her doing it. > > They say no, they’d just fucking hypocrites and that should be thrown in their faces. > They say yes and maybe they’ll have time to think about the error of their ways. > … > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Aw, that’s just so goshdarn cute! C’mon, do it again! It’s almost as cute as Chris Christie asserting that if Trump were to pardon himself, Congressional Republicans would vote to impeach him. > [@](#): > > Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said Sunday that President Trump would be impeached if he were to pardon himself. > > “There’s no way that [Trump pardoning himself] will happen and the reason it won’t is because it’ll become a political problem,” Christie told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. "If the president were to pardon himself, he’ll get impeached. [http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/390453-christie-trump-would-be-impeached-if-he-pardoned-himself](http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/390453-christie-trump-would-be-impeached-if-he-pardoned-himself) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20969 "2018-06-03T22:12:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Donald Trump has been President Trump for 500 days as of noon today, and everything has changed, and nothing has changed. > > Be smart: In 500 days, Trump’s hijacking of the formerly conservative GOP is complete — an astonishing accomplishment. The majority party in America is fully defined by his policies, his popularity with the base, his facts-be-damned mentality, his ability to control and quiet virtually all Republican elected officials. > > [Cite](https://www.axios.com/trumps-500-day-coup-of-the-gop-conservatism-5f1f129d-22c3-4f53-b9f1-d957eb1ef05c.html) Worth reading. Excerpt: > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]Trump has wiped out a large portion of Obama’s legacy. He’s exited the Paris climate deal; signed major tax cuts, especially for corporations; confirmed an ultra-conservative Supreme Court justice and record numbers of circuit court judges; deregulated like crazy; exited the Iran deal; exited the TPP trade deal; repealed the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate; and moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing it as Israel’s capital.[/li] > [li]New hardline immigration enforcement is in place, including separating children from parents of illegal immigrants. An extraordinary percentage of Trump’s senior staff has quit or been fired.[/li][/ul]… There’s more. Short article, but good summary. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20970 "2018-06-03T23:47:24Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > If someone tells you that Trump can pardon himself and/or that he cannot obstruct Justice, please ask them the following; > > 1\> If Hillary Clinton had been elected, could she have pardoned herself for any crimes? > 2\> If Hillary Clinton had been elected, could she obstruct Justice? > > The reaction will tell you everything you need to know about that person. The reaction would be “_ **See?** That is why we had to keep her outta there! Because she would have! We really dodged a bullet there!_” ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20971 "2018-06-04T00:02:53Z")
I’m wondering more and more about Melania’s disappearance. Didn’t think very much about that tweet she sent out until people started pointing out it just didn’t sound at all like her. The White House says she keeps having regular meetings but with whom? Has anyone said they’ve met with her recently? I’m not one of those who feel sorry for her, she’s just a gold-digging East European hooker who bit off more than she can chew. But she _is_ First Lady – or was, assuming she’s still alive – so the disappearance holds one’s interest. Interesting theories so far: 1. She’s really a lot – A LOT – sicker than has been let on. 2. President Chump beat the bejesus out of her, and she needs time for the wounds to disappear. 3. She’s hiding out in New York while preparing to file for a divorce. 4. She is having a major nervous breakdown and has been locked away. Funniest episode thus far is Chump outdoors pointing at a window and telling reporters, “Look, look. There she is, looking out!” But not a single reporter saw anyone. Sounds like a stunt from _The Producers_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20972 "2018-06-04T00:32:34Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Funniest episode thus far is Chump outdoors pointing at a window and telling reporters, “Look, look. There she is, looking out!” But not a single reporter saw anyone. Funny? maybe. Mega-creepy when you consider that the guy gleefully gaslighting the reporters is a stone-cold narcissist to whom every other person on the planet–including his wife–is not a person at all, but merely a cardboard cut-out, to be moved around as suits his own purposes. If she had already been dead when he said that, he could have said it just as happily. (I’m not claiming that she is deceased, but only that Trump would have no trouble in cheerfully misleading reporters if she were.) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20973 "2018-06-04T01:26:03Z")
Yeah, this seemed oddly eerie to me, as well. Reminded me of Hitchcock’s PSYCHO, with Mama Bates passing by a window. Or Clouzot’s LES DIABOLIQUES, with the dead man appearing in the window. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20974 "2018-06-04T01:28:22Z")
Next week’s White House press release: “Melanie Trump sadly died. The President celebrated by announcing his engagement to Miss Universe 2016.” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20975 "2018-06-04T01:35:28Z")
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “Any media speculation that the President had Melanie Trump murdered in cold blood is treason.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20976 "2018-06-04T01:39:12Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “Any media speculation that the President had Melanie Trump murdered in cold blood is treason.” He could never get those stubby fingers around her neck. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20977 "2018-06-04T01:52:56Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “Any media speculation that the President had Melanie Trump murdered in cold blood is treason.” Meanwhile, Guilliani: “Why yes Trump did Murder Melenia and hide her remains in the Resolute desk. As chief executive it’s perfectly within his powers as laid out in the constitution… What? Did I say something wrong?.” ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20978 "2018-06-04T02:11:21Z")
Could Giuliani today asserting Chump could personally kill anyone while president, with his own two little stubby hands, and never be indicted be a lead-up to the announcement of Melania’s untimely demise? Hmm. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20979 "2018-06-04T02:30:48Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “Any media speculation that the President had Melanie Trump murdered in cold blood is treason.” SFX: klaxon POE’S LAW ALERT! POE’S LAW ALERT! WARNING! THE POST YOU HAVE SUBMITTED IS POTENTIALLY SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY UNDER POE’S LAW! PLEASE PROCEED TO THE NEAREST SDMB POSTING TERMINAL, LOG IN, AND PROVIDE EITHER A CITE OR A SMILEY! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20980 "2018-06-04T02:52:15Z")
Rudy says Trump could have shot Comey in the Oval Office and he couldn’t be indicted for it. [Giuliani: Trump Could Have Shot Comey And Still Couldn’t Be Indicted For It | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e)? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20981 "2018-06-04T03:02:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Rudy says Trump could have shot Comey in the Oval Office and he couldn’t be indicted for it. > [Giuliani: Trump Could Have Shot Comey And Still Couldn’t Be Indicted For It | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e)? Dang. Last year I was reading some guy on the Patheos website who was giving us chapter-by-chapter summaries of the _Left Behind_ books (so we wouldn’t have to). Giuliani’s hypothetical was practically a plot point in one of them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20982 "2018-06-04T03:02:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Rudy says Trump could have shot Comey in the Oval Office and he couldn’t be indicted for it. > [Giuliani: Trump Could Have Shot Comey And Still Couldn’t Be Indicted For It | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e)? He’s not quite right. The correct answer is, he could or couldn’t be. It depends on what people in American democracy are willing to tolerate. But think about this: we elected to the highest office of the land someone who was on tape as having committed sexual assault. It wasn’t a secret, either. Democracy depends on an electorate with a sense of virtue. And what do we do? We elect someone who is on tape bragging about sexual assault. Virtues. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20983 "2018-06-04T03:35:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Democracy depends on an electorate with a sense of virtue. And what do we do? We elect someone who is on tape bragging about sexual assault. > > Virtues. The problem with that is that virtues, on the Right, have become synonymous with Republican political policy. No gay stuff. Enforce white supremacy. Must be Christian or at least willing to pretend. Low to no taxes. High military spending. No social spending. And here we are. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/20984 "2018-06-04T03:56:45Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Meanwhile, Guilliani: “Why yes Trump did Murder Melenia and hide her remains in the Resolute desk. As chief executive it’s perfectly within his powers as laid out in the constitution… What? Did I say something wrong?.” > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Rudy says Trump could have shot Comey in the Oval Office and he couldn’t be indicted for it. > [Giuliani: Trump Could Have Shot Comey And Still Couldn’t Be Indicted For It | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e)? Honestly with Og as my witness, When I posted that I hadn’t seen the article Rick was talking about and thought I was just making a joke. Satire is getting damn difficult these days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1048) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1050)