# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1061
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21205 "2018-06-08T21:55:52Z")
Hard to imagine a good reason for the major malfunction with the G7. Not content with dismantling Obama’s legacy, he is going after that of every postwar president? We are in deep crap I think. Today’s GOP would not vote to impeach in Donnie invited Russia to annex the US. Pain ahead, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21206 "2018-06-08T21:56:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > CNBC reporter Christina Wilkie is reporting about architect John Fotiadis, being investigated by Mueller over his work on Trump properties in Eastern Europe and Russia. She says that eight hours after she asked Fotiadis to comment on the investigation, he announced on Twitter that he was closing his company, then he shut down the company and its website, and deleted his Twitter account. > [https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/how-a-ny-architect-offers-a-window-into-trump-deals-in-eastern-europe.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/how-a-ny-architect-offers-a-window-into-trump-deals-in-eastern-europe.html) Is it possible to think of an innocent explanation for this? > [@](#): > > … Fotiadis worked alongside Trump and lawyer Michael Cohen to cut development deals in Eastern Europe. > > He also worked for Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, who hired Paul Manafort in 2005 as the top consultant to his pro-Russia political party, and Silk Road Group, which is led by Georgia oligarch George Ramishvili. … > **[Trump architect who worked on eastern Europe projects drops completely out of...](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/trump-architect-worked-eastern-europe-projects-drops-completely-sight-hours-reporters-call/)** > > An architect who helped arrange President Donald Trump's business deals in eastern Europe abruptly shut down his firm within hours of being contacted by a reporter, deleted his portfolio and Twitter account -- and has gone missing.Architect John... It certainly would appear to be fertile ground for Mueller to investigate. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21207 "2018-06-08T21:58:30Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Something I saw on Twitter yesterday: > > America First –\> America alone –\> America Last Makes me wonder what percentage of Trump fans are hoping, hoping, hoping for Armageddon to occur as soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21208 "2018-06-08T22:05:42Z")
[Trump says he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-is-likely-to-support-ending-federal-ban-on-marijuana/ar-AAyogKu) And he throws me a curveball. > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said he likely will support a congressional effort to end the federal ban on marijuana, a major step that would reshape the pot industry and end the threat of a Justice Department crackdown. I hope this happens. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21209 "2018-06-08T22:15:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Trump says he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-is-likely-to-support-ending-federal-ban-on-marijuana/ar-AAyogKu) > > And he throws me a curveball. > I hope this happens. He’s just trolling, the way he was when he said he’d do something for the DACA kids. He loves seeing people say ‘well, maybe he can do SOME good after all’…then he pulls the ball away. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21210 "2018-06-08T22:23:30Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Trump says he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-is-likely-to-support-ending-federal-ban-on-marijuana/ar-AAyogKu) > > And he throws me a curveball. > > I hope this happens. He lies about EVERYTHING but because it’s something you want, you want to believe him. :dubious: :rolleyes: See how demagogue’s and dictator’s work? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21211 "2018-06-08T22:52:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > He lies about EVERYTHING but because it’s something you want, you want to believe him. :dubious: :rolleyes: > > See how demagogue’s and dictator’s work? It _was_ about the only thing in his campaign he was consistent about(other than Hilary). I’ll believe it when i see it. [Conspiracy Theory] Maybe someone convinced him that rather than firing Sessions, it’s better to make Sessions quit. Or have a stoke. [/CT] ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21212 "2018-06-08T22:52:57Z")
Maybe he’s trolling Sessions, who is vehemently against marijuana legalization. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21213 "2018-06-08T22:55:25Z")
Siding with our Democrat Gubernatorial candidate here in CA? Not possible. Once he finds out about his support for marijuana, the second wall around CA will be built. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21214 "2018-06-08T22:59:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Maybe he’s trolling Sessions, who is vehemently against marijuana legalization. And if Pence hadn’t been so quick to remove that [water bottle](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/391113-pence-appears-to-mimic-trump-in-viral-video)…gay rights protection across the land! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21215 "2018-06-08T23:08:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Conspiracy Theory] Maybe someone convinced him that rather than firing Sessions, it’s better to make Sessions quit. Or have a stoke. [/CT] Dude, [we’ll all be totally stoked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgXObaM9i2Q) if they legalize the ganj! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21216 "2018-06-08T23:47:03Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Hard to imagine a good reason for the major malfunction with the G7. Not content with dismantling Obama’s legacy, he is going after that of every postwar president? > > We are in deep crap I think. Today’s GOP would not vote to impeach in Donnie invited Russia to annex the US. Pain ahead, folks. Putin’s Russia is doing to us what America usually does to Central and South America. Meddle in elections, insert intelligence-backed “assets”, corrupt the government, turn factions against each other, and ultimately destabilize the political environment, thereby creating conditions favorable for some sort of unrest. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21217 "2018-06-09T01:55:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Putin’s Russia is doing to us what America usually does to Central and South America. Meddle in elections, insert intelligence-backed “assets”, corrupt the government, turn factions against each other, and ultimately destabilize the political environment, thereby creating conditions favorable for some sort of unrest. You’re claiming that anything the US has (covertly) done in Central and South America was for the purpose of _creating unrest_? Jeez. You’ve got to stop being so transparently Putin’s mouthpiece, dude. Of course the US wasn’t interested in creating unrest—the US was interested in creating _stable_ governments that would be cooperative with US aims and goals. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21218 "2018-06-09T01:58:22Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You’re claiming that anything the US has (covertly) done in Central and South America was for the purpose of _creating unrest_? > > Jeez. You’ve got to stop being so transparently Putin’s mouthpiece, dude. Of course the US wasn’t interested in creating unrest—the US was interested in creating _stable_ governments that would be cooperative with US aims and goals. Yes, but one good way of installing a stable government that supports your goals is to destabilize the current non-supportive one, and hope that the ensuing coup puts in your guys. For instance, Chile. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21219 "2018-06-09T02:01:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Makes me wonder what percentage of Trump fans are hoping, hoping, hoping for Armageddon to occur as soon as possible. I hadn’t thought about that interpretation. I thought it meant that if we foolishly insist on putting America first, in a world in which the global economy and multi-country treaties are becoming more and more important, we’ll end up being all by ourselves, and then we’ll end up in last place. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21220 "2018-06-09T02:11:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Saw a story on a sorta _far_-left site saying that the Shitgibbon was planning on pardoning Cassius Clay. Who responded that he wanted nothing to do with that, and that there was nothing to pardon (his conviction was thrown out by scotus nearly half a century ago). Curious that CFSG would be wanting to pardon a black man, albeit a famous one, for _draft evasion_. Cassius Clay? That’s an odd lefty site if they insist on using Muhammad Ali’s former name. As noted by other posters, also, the man’s dead. As noted by the Supreme Court of the United States of America, there is no conviction to be pardoned for. > [@](#): > > The article said that CFSG told reporters that he was looking at _thousands_ of potential pardons. I mean, what the holy fuck. Someone needs to dangle some sparkly things in front of him, trigger that magpie instinct. You hit the nail on the head! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21221 "2018-06-09T03:05:00Z")
Three things. 1. Do not try to make sense of President PantsOnHead’s urps and hiccups as “policies.” Why? Because: 2. He. Thrives. On. Chaos. He has said so himself. He is a contrarian and loves to create divisiveness and then pit the newly created sides against each other. To what end? Who the fuck knows? So he will be the King of the Mountain or some such bullshit. He does not believe in cooperation or compromise. He is the guy who would yell “FIRE!” in a crowded theater just because he can (and probably rob the box office while everyone is running around screaming). 1. Also keep in mind that he has no friends in his life. I’m guessing he sees a friend as someone who gets close to you so they can betray or use you later. He has no friends, so why should the USA have “friends” among the nations? He doesn’t believe in friendship or loyalty except loyalty to HIM (which is not reciprocated). His actions WRT G7 are perfectly congruent with these ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21222 "2018-06-09T03:06:04Z")
Dennis Rodman will be attending the Korea summit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21223 "2018-06-09T03:08:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Dennis Rodman will be attending the Korea summit. At least they’ll have one adult in the room. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21224 "2018-06-09T03:13:00Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Yes, but one good way of installing a stable government that supports your goals is to destabilize the current non-supportive one, and hope that the ensuing coup puts in your guys. For instance, Chile. Shitgibbon has very little resemblance to Allende. He seems more like Reza Pahlavi to me. In which case, Vlad fucked up really bad and his people are going to pay for it. Eventually, at least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1060) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1062)