# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2121 "2017-03-10T01:14:49Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Hey, this guy just plagiarizing from Martin Luther King, Jr! PLAGIARIST!!!@!11111 > > Oh wait, I didn’t hear that. I hear silence. Where’s your outrage folks? It appears that it is selective. He’s not a whiny fucking troll pulling arguments from a morally bankrupt and fact free right-wing nut-job playbook. You, on the other hand, can fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2122 "2017-03-10T01:16:47Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Ah…I thought you were arguing that conservatives were the owners of the moral high ground. Given that starting position they would naturally tend to elect morally exemplary people. Ultimately they’ve gone for middling incompetence in Bush and hysterically shameful behaviour in Trump and moral cravens in a number of their other various leaders like Cruz. So, it just might be possible that conservatives, other than you naturally, are not the great moral majority you think they are. Hey, while Trump may have been sexually immoral over a decade ago, at least he never slandered a juvenile rape victim, as Hillary did when she got the victim’s rapist off ([Exclusive: 'Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,' Rape Victim Says](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html)). Hell, HRC was even caught laughing about the incident on tape and acknowledging her client’s guilt, saying that the fact he passed a polygraph “forever destroyed [her] faith in polygraphs” ([Rape Victim: Hillary Laughed At Me And Blamed Me For Getting Raped](http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/rape-victim-hillary-clinton-laughed-blamed-getting-raped/)). Mr. Trump apologized for his very lewd, sexually aggressive comments which were over a decade old. That settled it for me, and I happily voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2123 "2017-03-10T01:25:50Z")
Remember when college kids on spring break annoyed everyone by drinking too much, destroyed public property and engaged in indiscriminate sex? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2124 "2017-03-10T01:26:54Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Hey, while Trump may have been sexually immoral over a decade ago, at least he never slandered a juvenile rape victim, as Hillary did when she got the victim’s rapist off ([Exclusive: 'Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,' Rape Victim Says](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html)). Hell, HRC was even caught laughing about the incident on tape and acknowledging her client’s guilt, saying that the fact he passed a polygraph “forever destroyed [her] faith in polygraphs” ([Rape Victim: Hillary Laughed At Me And Blamed Me For Getting Raped](http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/rape-victim-hillary-clinton-laughed-blamed-getting-raped/)). > > Mr. Trump apologized for his very lewd, sexually aggressive comments which were over a decade old. That settled it for me, and I happily voted for him. Ok. You’ve earned your “deplorable” wings. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2125 "2017-03-10T01:27:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Remember when college kids on spring break annoyed everyone by drinking too much, destroyed public property and engaged in indiscriminate sex? Spring Break’s coming up for me, and I will assure you while I will be chilling with my friends, I won’t be destroying any precious private property.😃 ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2126 "2017-03-10T01:34:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Ok. You’ve earned your “deplorable” wings. That’s not fair, man. Look at Bill Clinton. The man was a serial philanderer, with the most notorious case being Monica Lewinsky. Yet, liberal Democratic voters were able to forgive his shortcomings because they felt he pulled through on the economy; the most notable display of this was the 1998 midterm elections. As you know, the President’s party usually loses seats in midterm elections, but the Republicans, instead of offering a clear alternative agenda to the American people, instead decided to make the election about Clinton, incessantly hounding him for his immorality in having an affair, going on and on about his moral character, in some cases hypocritically I will admit (Newt Gingrich was cheating on his wife during the impeachment era in the 1998). Clinton’s supporters didn’t like the heavy-handed moralizing by the Republicans, who then proceeded to actually gain zero net seats in the Senate and \*lose \*net seats in the House—the first time since 1934 that the non-presidential party failed to gain congressional seats in a mid-term election. It was a backlash against voters by what they saw as gratuitous, disingenuous moralizing on the part of Clinton’s opponents. Now, this doesn’t mean that Clinton’s supporters in the 1998 midterm approved of all of his personal, suboptimal conduct, or that they approved of a national figure cheating on his wife and then lying to the public about it. They just thought his positives outweighed his negatives. It was the same for me when I voted for Trump, although I was saddened by his inappropriate and sexually aggressive comments on the tape, I realized they were over a decade old, and he quickly apologized for it, and that they were bigger issues facing this country then a 10-year-old tape between Hollywood playboys. That doesn’t mean I support sexual assault. Don’t try to make it seem like I do. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2127 "2017-03-10T01:38:25Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > The reason you probably get along with the conservatives you’re referring to is cause they cede some moral high ground. I don’t and will not. You can’t cede what you never held. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2128 "2017-03-10T01:39:03Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It was the same for me when I voted for Trump, although I was saddened by his inappropriate and sexually aggressive comments on the tape, I realized they were over a decade old, and he quickly apologized for it, and that they were bigger issues facing this country then a 10-year-old tape between Hollywood playboys. > > That doesn’t mean I support sexual assault. Don’t try to make it seem like I do. He apologized for **the comments**. He never apologized for **sexually assaulting women**. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2129 "2017-03-10T01:40:40Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > He apologized for **the comments**. He never apologized for **sexually assaulting women**. There’s also no indication he stopped. There’s also the Fact that Bill Clinton’s transgressions were even further back in the past yet he was considered by The Party Of Personal Hypocrisy to be unworthy of occupying the White House. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2130 "2017-03-10T01:43:20Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > He apologized for **the comments**. He never apologized for **sexually assaulting women**. He didn’t apologize for sexually assaulting women because it wasn’t true. He categorically denied the allegations, and I take him at his word. For those of you who believe the allegations are true, I ask you: why do you believe Trump’s accusers, but not Mr. Clinton’s? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2131 "2017-03-10T01:43:33Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > The Glass-Steagall deregulatory reform was passed under Clinton, not Bush, and if you want to blame that legislation for the recession (a notion that is itself up to debate), then I don’t see how Bush is to blame as he didn’t sign it, etc. Bush43 has enough other stuff to be blamed for. Is Trump currently supporting regulation of the financial industries? Are Congressional Republicans? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2132 "2017-03-10T01:45:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Bush43 has enough other stuff to be blamed for. Is Trump currently supporting regulation of the financial industries? Are Congressional Republicans? If not, why not? Yes, Mr. Trump supports reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act, as he’s been saying for months. The Republican Party also made it clear in their official 2016 party platform that they support the reinstatement of the Act. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2133 "2017-03-10T01:46:05Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He categorically denied the allegations, and I take him at his word. You’re taking Trump at his word? Bwa-ha-ha… I hope you didn’t invest any money with him, though even if you had written and signed contracts, there are no guarantees. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2134 "2017-03-10T01:46:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > The conservatives you are referring to are probably of the David Brooks/David Frum mold; please know that I’m not that kind of conservative (I honestly don’t even consider Mr. Brooks, a moderate who leans right and is an extreme neoconservative, same with David Frum. Both of them are pro-abortion). If you stick around, you’ll be able to test that hypothesis. > [@](#): > > I’m a solid conservative who doesn’t cede ground to the liberals, unlike Brooks and Frum. The reason you probably get along with the conservatives you’re referring to is cause they cede some moral high ground. I don’t and will not. I don’t get along with them. You’re a bit wet behind the ears. (Not your fault.) I don’t have the energy to break in a new guy. Off you go. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2135 "2017-03-10T01:48:37Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He didn’t apologize for sexually assaulting women because it wasn’t true. He categorically denied the allegations, and I take him at his word. > > For those of you who believe the allegations are true, I ask you: why do you believe Trump’s accusers, but not Mr. Clinton’s? He said on tape he assaulted women and that his position allowed him to. Just because he (falsely) apologized doesn’t erase the fact. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2136 "2017-03-10T01:50:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > If you stick around, you’ll be able to test that hypothesis. > > I don’t get along with them. > > You’re a bit wet behind the ears. (Not your fault.) I don’t have the energy to break in a new guy. Off you go. Well, I’m saddened you don’t. There used to be a point where we had civility and you could get along with your political opponents despite your ideological disagreements? I get along with a lot of liberals, for example. I’ll also readily admit that liberals are right about some things. I’m a staunch supporter of affirmative action; as a black man, I know how racial discrimination still holds some black people back, and that affirmative action is necessary to help hardworking, qualified blacks benefit in our society and move up the economic ladder. I’m also a staunch opponent of neoconservatism, a radical extremely hawkish view that basically says that the U.S. should military invade every country on Earth no matter how miniscule a threat it may or may not pose, and impose their way of life on them, that the U.S. has a job to be the world’s policeman and remake the world in America’s image. I also opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and I’m against the sale of public, federally-owned lands. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2137 "2017-03-10T01:51:59Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, Mr. Trump supports reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act, as he’s been saying for months. > > The Republican Party also made it clear in their official 2016 party platform that they support the reinstatement of the Act. The Republicans mention it in passing once in their platform. Have they or Trump taken any legislative action in that direction? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2138 "2017-03-10T01:53:15Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He didn’t apologize for sexually assaulting women because it wasn’t true. He categorically denied the allegations, and I take him at his word. > > For those of you who believe the allegations are true, I ask you: why do you believe Trump’s accusers, but not Mr. Clinton’s? Trump **accused himself** of sexually assaulting women. What do you think “grabbing them by the pussy” means? So are you saying that you believe him when he now says he was lying? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2139 "2017-03-10T01:54:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The Republicans mention it in passing once in their platform. Have they or Trump taken any legislative action in that direction? Sean Spicer reiterated in his press conference today that Trump still supports the legislation. And the Republicans are a little busy, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, working on a repeal and replace for the failing Obamacare goliath (although the current repeal is terrible, and it thankfully is up for review). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2140 "2017-03-10T01:56:15Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > THis is an online community discussion forum; it’s not a college essay. I don’t plagiarize anything in my college essays. And I have seen many people on this forum cite things in support of Clinton and liberals without providing sources for where they got their info, but strangely you aren’t protesting that, are you? Have any thoughts of your own, plagiarist? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=108)