# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1078
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21545 "2018-06-14T16:57:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > How do you tell when you’re reached Trump? The smell gets worse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21546 "2018-06-14T17:10:00Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Unless Fox News is doing video game playthroughs, I suspect that’s the wrong link. Yeah. How did that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21547 "2018-06-14T17:12:04Z")
Here’s the link I should have provided on the Fox Kim story. > **[Fox News now says criticizing Kim Jong Un amounts to criticizing Trump](https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-rubio-clarify-kim-jong-un-trump-f49a8ef169bc/)** > > With Trump lavishing praise on Kim, a host pressed Marco Rubio to "clarify" his criticism of the dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21548 "2018-06-14T17:26:16Z")
Trump claims thousands of Korean War soldiers’ parents begged him during the campaign to bring back the remains of their children killed during the war. Those parents would be around one hundred years old. > **[Trump claims parents pleaded with him to bring back remains of sons killed in...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-korean-war-remains-parents-north-korea-singapore-summit-a8398956.html)** > > Kim Jong-un agrees to 'immediate repatriation' of identified soldiers ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21549 "2018-06-14T17:30:17Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [New York attorney general sues Trump Foundation](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/new-york-lawsuit-trump-foundation/index.html) This has probably been asked and answered many times previously, but can a sitting president be tried (and convicted) for crimes committed before he was elected? And since these are state charges, no way to pardon himself, right? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21550 "2018-06-14T17:51:00Z")
It’s been asked many times, but the answer is uncertain. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21551 "2018-06-14T17:51:43Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > This has probably been asked and answered many times previously, but can a sitting president be tried (and convicted) for crimes committed before he was elected? > > And since these are state charges, no way to pardon himself, right? Agnew’s downfall had to do with his actions as Baltimore County County Executive, before he became VP. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21552 "2018-06-14T18:07:18Z")
Agnew’s no-contest plea and resignation as VP were simultaneous. He was \*\*charged \*\*while in the White House, though. ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21553 "2018-06-14T18:19:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Republicans threw shitfits when Obama saluted his own military. [Trump salutes NK generals](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html)and there’s not a peep from the Party Of Turncoats. This story will play for a day, maybe two. Most people won’t even know it happened. Just another display of ineptitude by the President of the United States, Yawn. Big win for propaganda in North Korea though - I wonder if they’ll make building sized portraits or a bunch of statues of these symbolic gestures. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21554 "2018-06-14T18:37:06Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > And since these are state charges, no way to pardon himself, right? Wouldn’t matter. This is a civil action, not a criminal one. > [@](#): > > Pardons also don’t affect civil cases, or state or local cases. Pardons are meant to dismiss sentences stemming from affronts to the United States through the breaking of laws. They’re not intended to relieve an individual from his responsibility to make restitution to a victim’s family, for example, which would be considered a personal affront. So a presidential pardon of a criminal sentence would not relieve the defendant from paying restitution from a related civil case. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21555 "2018-06-14T18:51:22Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Wouldn’t matter. This is a civil action, not a criminal one. Ah, thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21556 "2018-06-14T19:33:46Z")
[http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392074-lobbyist-turned-wine-blogger-vetting-un-state-dept-personnel-for](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392074-lobbyist-turned-wine-blogger-vetting-un-state-dept-personnel-for) From the Hill (originally reported in Foreign Policy) > [@](#): > > Mari Stull, a senior adviser at the agency’s Bureau of International Organization Affairs, has examined staffers’ social media for any signs of differences with administration policy, according to a report from Foreign Policy. > > Stull is also reportedly “making lists” of employees whose loyalty she questions. This not just a State Department problem, either. Team Trump has done this with the Department of the Interior and the EPA. It’s probably not unreasonable to assume that he’s doing this in the DoD and DoJ. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21557 "2018-06-14T20:57:16Z")
Jefferson Beauregard claims the Bible gives him the right to separate children from their parents and keep them in concentration camps. > **[Sessions cites Bible in defense of breaking up families, blames migrant parents](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/sessions-cites-bible-defense-breaking-families-blames-migrant-parents-n883296?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma)** > > The attorney general, in a speech to law enforcement officers in Indiana, called on his "church friends" not to blame him for the policy. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21558 "2018-06-14T21:15:29Z")
Does it also give him the right to get nailled to a fucking cross? Just wondering. Hypothetically, you know. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21559 "2018-06-14T21:27:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Republicans threw shitfits when Obama saluted his own military. [Trump salutes NK generals](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html)and there’s not a peep from the Party Of Turncoats. The video shows a botched routine with the general playing the part of Bud Abbot. CFSG reaches out to shake his hand as General Abbot salutes, so then CFSG salutes as the general is reaching out to shake his hand. It would have been quite funny but that the timing is all fucked up. Because, there is little that the CFSG cannot upfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21560 "2018-06-14T21:46:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392074-lobbyist-turned-wine-blogger-vetting-un-state-dept-personnel-for](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392074-lobbyist-turned-wine-blogger-vetting-un-state-dept-personnel-for) Denouncement of this _actual_ witch hunt by concerned Republicans in 3…2…1… minus 1, minus 2… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21561 "2018-06-14T21:47:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The video shows a botched routine with the general playing the part of Bud Abbot. CFSG reaches out to shake his hand as General Abbot salutes, so then CFSG salutes as the general is reaching out to shake his hand. It would have been quite funny but that the timing is all fucked up. Because, there is little that the CFSG cannot upfuck. And of course NK is already using the pic of Trump saluting for propaganda purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21562 "2018-06-14T22:11:28Z")
Mari Stull? Isn’t “Stull” that little town in Kansas that’s supposed to have a Gateway to Hell in the cemetery? Is Mari one of the Stull Stulls? It would be irresponsible not to speculate. > **[Stull, Kansas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stull,_Kansas)** > > Stull is an unincorporated community in Douglas County, Kansas, United States. Founded in 1857, the settlement was initially known as Deer Creek until it was renamed after its only postmaster, Sylvester Stull. As of 2018, only a handful of structures remain in the area. > Since the 1970s, the town has become infamous due to an apocryphal legend that claims the nearby Stull Cemetery is possessed by demonic forces. This legend has become a facet of American popular culture and has been referenced i... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21563 "2018-06-14T22:15:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The video shows a botched routine with the general playing the part of Bud Abbot. CFSG reaches out to shake his hand as General Abbot salutes, so then CFSG salutes as the general is reaching out to shake his hand. It would have been quite funny but that the timing is all fucked up. Because, there is little that the CFSG cannot upfuck. Look at Kim’s face. (He’s right behind Trump and the general.) There’s no way that move wasn’t pre-planned. You can see Kim’s glee when Trump falls for it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21564 "2018-06-14T22:17:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump claims thousands of Korean War soldiers’ parents begged him during the campaign to bring back the remains of their children killed during the war. Those parents would be around one hundred years old. > [Trump claims US parents pleaded with him to bring back remains of sons killed in Korean War 65 years ago | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-korean-war-remains-parents-north-korea-singapore-summit-a8398956.html) Yet another un-spinnable lie by Trump. The quantity of them–it’s a fairly long list, now–must be breaking at least a few Trump-fan brains. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1077) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1079)