# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2141 "2017-03-10T01:56:16Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Trump **accused himself** of sexually assaulting women. What do you think “grabbing them by the pussy” means? > > So are you saying that you believe him when he now says he was lying? Mr. Trump was a businessman and a playboy, he exaggerates a lot, as he pointed out in his book “The Art of The Deal”. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2142 "2017-03-10T01:58:33Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Mr. Trump was a businessman and a playboy, he exaggerates a lot, as he pointed out in his book “The Art of The Deal”. In other words, a womanizer and a pathological liar. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2143 "2017-03-10T01:58:42Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Mr. Trump was a businessman and a playboy, he exaggerates a lot, as he pointed out in his book “The Art of The Deal”. And yet you take him at his word. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2144 "2017-03-10T02:01:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And yet you take him at his word. Yeah, I do. Look, Mr. Trump was not running for pope. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2145 "2017-03-10T02:02:56Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Sean Spicer reiterated in his press conference today that Trump still supports the legislation. > > And the Republicans are a little busy, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, working on a repeal and replace for the failing Obamacare goliath (although the current repeal is terrible, and it thankfully is up for review). So… no, then. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2146 "2017-03-10T02:03:40Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yeah, I do. > > Look, Mr. Trump was not running for pope. Never said he was. You said you take hm at his word and that he exaggerates. See the contradiction? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2147 "2017-03-10T02:09:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Never said he was. > You said you take hm at his word and that he exaggerates. > > See the contradiction? It won’t matter as long as ckalli’s gut tells him to bellyfeel the truthiness. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2148 "2017-03-10T02:12:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It won’t matter as long as ckalli’s gut tells him to bellyfeel the truthiness. Coouldn’t have put it better myself:D. Also, let me repeat a point I made earlier: Look at Bill Clinton. The man was a serial philanderer, with the most notorious case being Monica Lewinsky. Yet, liberal Democratic voters were able to forgive his shortcomings because they felt he pulled through on the economy; the most notable display of this was the 1998 midterm elections. As you know, the President’s party usually loses seats in midterm elections, but the Republicans, instead of offering a clear alternative agenda to the American people, instead decided to make the election about Clinton, incessantly hounding him for his immorality in having an affair, going on and on about his moral character, in some cases hypocritically I will admit (Newt Gingrich was cheating on his wife during the impeachment era in the 1998). Clinton’s supporters didn’t like the heavy-handed moralizing by the Republicans, who then proceeded to actually gain zero net seats in the Senate and lose net seats in the House—the first time since 1934 that the non-presidential party failed to gain congressional seats in a mid-term election. It was a backlash against voters by what they saw as gratuitous, disingenuous moralizing on the part of Clinton’s opponents. Now, this doesn’t mean that Clinton’s supporters in the 1998 midterm approved of all of his personal, suboptimal conduct, or that they approved of a national figure cheating on his wife and then lying to the public about it. They just thought his positives outweighed his negatives. It was the same for me when I voted for Trump, although I was saddened by his inappropriate and sexually aggressive comments on the tape, I realized they were over a decade old, and he quickly apologized for it, and that they were bigger issues facing this country then a 10-year-old tape between Hollywood playboys. That doesn’t mean I support sexual assault. Don’t try to make it seem like I do. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2149 "2017-03-10T02:13:59Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > For those of you who believe the allegations are true, I ask you: why do you believe Trump’s accusers, but not Mr. Clinton’s? Why do you believe Bill Clinton’s accusers and not Trump’s? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2150 "2017-03-10T02:15:29Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Why do you believe Bill Clinton’s accusers and not Trump’s? my gut ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2151 "2017-03-10T02:18:29Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Trump **accused himself** of sexually assaulting women. What do you think “grabbing them by the pussy” means? > > So are you saying that you believe him when he now says he was lying? > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Mr. Trump was a businessman and a playboy, he exaggerates a lot, as he pointed out in his book “The Art of The Deal”. So you actually believe that he often doesn’t tell the truth but you take him at his word that he’s now telling the truth that he wasn’t telling the truth back then. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2152 "2017-03-10T02:20:15Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > my gut No one has accused Hillary Clinton of sexual assault, plagiarist. That your gut ignored Trump’s own bragging of sexual assault, and assigned blame for allegations about Hillary’s husband to her, reflects poorly on you. As does your unrepentant plagiarism, of course. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2153 "2017-03-10T02:24:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No one has accused Hillary Clinton of sexual assault, plagiarist. That your gut ignored Trump’s own bragging of sexual assault, and assigned blame for allegations about Hillary’s husband to her, reflects poorly on you. As does your unrepentant plagiarism, of course. I don’t recall ever saying anyone accused Hillary of assault. There have, however, been credible sexual assault allegations against Hillary’s hubby, the female accusers who Hillary decided to viciously attack ([http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo](http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo)). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2154 "2017-03-10T02:26:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I don’t recall ever saying anyone accused Hillary of assault. > > There have, however, been credible sexual assault allegations against Hillary’s hubby, the female accusers who Hillary decided to viciously attack ([http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo](http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo)). Credible like that broadsheet you linked to earlier? :dubious: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2155 "2017-03-10T02:26:28Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I don’t recall ever saying anyone accused Hillary of assault. > > There have, however, been credible sexual assault allegations against Hillary’s hubby, the female accusers who Hillary decided to viciously attack ([http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo](http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/9-times-hillary-clinton-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo)). And Trump didn’t attack his accusers? ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2156 "2017-03-10T02:30:43Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It was the same for me when I voted for Trump, although I was saddened by his inappropriate and sexually aggressive comments on the tape, I realized they were over a decade old, and **he quickly apologized for it** , and that they were bigger issues facing this country then a 10-year-old tape between Hollywood playboys. > > That doesn’t mean I support sexual assault. Don’t try to make it seem like I do. Is there a link to this apology? I’m having trouble remembering it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2157 "2017-03-10T02:31:13Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Coouldn’t have put it better myself I find that to be highly probable. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2158 "2017-03-10T02:31:56Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Is there a link to this apology? I’m having trouble remembering it. Sure: [Trump apologizes for video bragging about groping women](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/07/trump-washington-post-women-billy-bush-video/91743992/) ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2159 "2017-03-10T02:33:33Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Is there a link to this apology? I’m having trouble remembering it. You can find it [here](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+apologizes). ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2160 "2017-03-10T02:34:12Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Sure: [Trump apologizes for video bragging about groping women](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/07/trump-washington-post-women-billy-bush-video/91743992/) Thanks. I am genuinely overwhelmed and I missed it at the time. CAUSE IT’S STILL NOT OK AND NOT ENOUGH. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=109)