# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1094
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21865 "2018-06-20T17:45:11Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > A child-killing pedo once explained his actions along those lines. He said he loves children and wants to show them how much he cares. But society has twisted his love into something vile and illegal… It’s a fair cop. But I blame Society. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21866 "2018-06-20T17:45:54Z")
Wait . . . I thought the Republicans couldn’t do anything about this because the Democrats wouldn’t let them. I thought the government had to separate children from their families because it’s the law. I thought this wasn’t a big deal in the first place. I thought I lived in a country where the majority party wouldn’t literally separate families and keep children in camps (and where their constituents support such action), _just because they wanted to accomplish some political goal_. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21867 "2018-06-20T17:52:55Z")
Trump: “There was a story two days ago in a major newspaper talking about people living in Canada, coming into the United States and smuggling things back into Canada because the tariffs are so massive. The tariffs to get common items back into Canada are so high that they have to smuggle them in. They buy shoes and they wear them. They scuff them up to make them sound old, or look old. No, we’re treated horribly.” Yeah, no. [Did President Trump Say That Canadians Smuggle Shoes Out of the United States? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-president-trump-say-canadians-smuggle-shoes/)? I wish, just once, one of these Trumpistas who claim to have seen it on the news or in a newspaper would identify just which newspaper it was in. Probably Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21868 "2018-06-20T18:01:43Z")
A lawsuit alleges that the kids in the detention centers are being pumped full of drugs. > **[Immigrant children forcibly drugged with 'powerful' psychotropics at Texas...](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/immigrant-children-forcibly-drugged-powerful-psychotropics-texas-treatment-center-lawsuit/#.WyqQpDI8aWk.twitter)** > > In a new lawsuit, immigrant children detained at a government-funded facility in Texas described being forcibly drugged with psychotropic medicines that made them dizzy and unable to walk.Reveal reported Wednesday that minors held at the Shiloh... ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21869 "2018-06-20T18:04:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I wish, just once, one of these Trumpistas who claim to have seen it … in a newspaper would identify just which newspaper it was in. And specify what headline it’s under. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21870 "2018-06-20T18:12:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump: “There was a story two days ago in a major newspaper talking about people living in Canada, coming into the United States and smuggling things back into Canada because the tariffs are so massive. The tariffs to get common items back into Canada are so high that they have to smuggle them in. They buy shoes and they wear them. They scuff them up to make them sound old, or look old. No, we’re treated horribly.” > > Yeah, no. > [Did President Trump Say That Canadians Smuggle Shoes Out of the United States? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-president-trump-say-canadians-smuggle-shoes/)? > > I wish, just once, one of these Trumpistas who claim to have seen it on the news or in a newspaper would identify just which newspaper it was in. > Probably Fox News. Next up, a wall for Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21871 "2018-06-20T18:15:23Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > [Trump to keep families together by executive order.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results) > > If you want to think of this as Trump Caves; Trump Folds Like a Cheap Lawn Chair; Trump Backtracks and Admits It Was His Policy All Along; Trump Made to Look Like a Weak Sniveling Coward – well, that’s just fine with me. Actually I think of this as Trump Gaslights the Entire Nation. He creates an awful situation, blames the Democrats for it, the House & Senate start talking about doing something then Trump swoops in on a white horse to “solve” it himself because god parliaments are useless aren’t they ? Classic strongman move. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21872 "2018-06-20T18:18:35Z")
(oh, and the best part, as far as PantsOnHead is concerned ? All the guys on his side, who tried to defend the awful policy he implemented because they thought that’s what he expected of them now look like unfeeling assholes. And Trump looks like a gentle saint next to them. Psychos are bad to have as enemies, they’re even worse to have as friends.) ---
**Author:** ![arles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@arles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arles)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21873 "2018-06-20T18:21:12Z")
I don’t get it. The article talks about smugglers, but it sounds like regular tourists wearing shoes purchased in the U.S. prior to returning to Canada. Isn’t this SOP for ANY tourist? I regularly buy expensive Italian shoes when in Italy. I do not bring them back to the U.S. in pristine condition, in the original packaging, and with the price tag on them. Nobody does this because then you might have to pay duty. If you wear them before bringing them back they look like you took them with you with your normal clothes. I live near the border and for years I have seen Canadians come to the U.S., stock up on clothes and other goods, tear the tags off, and then drive back home. It just boggles my mind that an everyday experience is turned into a talking-point for this administration. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21874 "2018-06-20T19:17:14Z")
Mike Pompeo actually has the \*cojones \*to issue a proclamation in honor of World Refugee Day. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21875 "2018-06-20T19:37:39Z")
At least he waited until after Juneteenth. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21876 "2018-06-20T19:45:18Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Pretty much. Trump is trying to cause so much pain and suffering that he hopes democrats will sign any bill in front of them to protect the children. Including building that border wall, which is just a useless white nationalist jerk off fantasy anyway (drones and technology are more effective and cheaper than a wall anyway). Since the legislature is needed to fund a border wall, Trump hopes if he creates enough pain and suffering that the democrats will cave and do whatever he wants. > > It’d be like if I wanted $100 to buy a KKK robe and confederate flag, but didn’t have the $100. So I grabbed a kid at random and started punching them and then told you ‘I’m going to keep punching this kid until you give me $100. this is your fault’. > > That is Trump and his apologists argument right now. They are using child abuse as leverage to get funding for a white nationalist policy item. Have any pollsters asked which party Americans blame for these atrocities? I assume 38% blame the Democrats. > [@kambuckta](#): > > So you lock kids in cages, and most of the populace rants and raves and clutches their pearls…and nothing changes. Just means that Trump Inc can get away with worse atrocities next time. > > You talk about a slippery slope? This is it folks. > > Fuck. > > Oh, and by the way, Australia is doing similar to folks who (almost) arrive on our shores seeking asylum. We’re no better and I just think we all fucken suck at being compassionate humans. Is Australia deliberately _separating refugee parents from their refugee children?_ ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21877 "2018-06-20T19:50:23Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Wait . . . I thought the Republicans couldn’t do anything about this because the Democrats wouldn’t let them. I thought the government had to separate children from their families because it’s the law. I thought this wasn’t a big deal in the first place. None of the excuses were working, so as a last, desperate act they decided to do something. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21878 "2018-06-20T20:03:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Is Australia deliberately _separating refugee parents from their refugee children?_ > **[Peter Dutton defends Nauru policy after refugees told to separate from family](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/07/peter-dutton-defends-nauru-policy-after-refugees-told-to-separate-from-family)** > > Department sources, and sources on Nauru, say it is ‘unofficial policy’ to use family separation as a coercive measure ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21879 "2018-06-20T20:07:01Z")
“[Trump signs executive order to keep undocumented families together](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together)” So… (1) … after he declared only Congress can fix this, Trump “fixed” it… (2) … by directing the DOD to set space aside on army bases for families to be incarcerated together. So, awesome. We’ve pulled back from “worse-than-Hitler” levels of evil (“BABY CONCENTRATION CAMPS”) to “merely Hitler” levels (just concentration camps). 'MURICA! ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21880 "2018-06-20T20:07:30Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Actually I think of this as Trump Gaslights the Entire Nation. He creates an awful situation, blames the Democrats for it, the House & Senate start talking about doing something then Trump swoops in on a white horse to “solve” it himself because god parliaments are useless aren’t they ? > Classic strongman move. And of course, 45 will break his arm patting himself on the back for it, just like an arsonist who sets an enormous fire expects credit for being the one to call the fire department. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21881 "2018-06-20T20:19:28Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [Peter Dutton defends Nauru policy after refugees told to separate from family | Australian immigration and asylum | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/07/peter-dutton-defends-nauru-policy-after-refugees-told-to-separate-from-family) So not at all what the Trump administration is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21882 "2018-06-20T20:24:50Z")
Trump’s executive order misspelled “Separation”. > ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21883 "2018-06-20T20:38:11Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > “[Trump signs executive order to keep undocumented families together](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together)” > > So… > > (1) … after he declared only Congress can fix this, Trump “fixed” it… > > (2) … by directing the DOD to set space aside on army bases for families to be incarcerated together. > > So, awesome. We’ve pulled back from “worse-than-Hitler” levels of evil (“BABY CONCENTRATION CAMPS”) to “merely Hitler” levels (just concentration camps). > > 'MURICA! Don’t see how this is gonna help him at all. 1) He’s exposed himself to be a fucking monster even to people who otherwise defended him for things like sexual assault. And 2) He’s exposed himself as weak to his deplorable supporters who actually applauded his inhumanity toward the brown migrants. This could be the biggest clusterfuck of the entire clusterfuck this guy has clusterfucked. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21884 "2018-06-20T20:51:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > [Trump to keep families together by executive order.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results) > > If you want to think of this as Trump Caves; Trump Folds Like a Cheap Lawn Chair; Trump Backtracks and Admits It Was His Policy All Along; Trump Made to Look Like a Weak Sniveling Coward – well, that’s just fine with me. > [@Kobal2](#): > > Actually I think of this as Trump Gaslights the Entire Nation. He creates an awful situation, blames the Democrats for it, the House & Senate start talking about doing something then Trump swoops in on a white horse to “solve” it himself because god parliaments are useless aren’t they ? > Classic strongman move. > [@Celidin](#): > > “[Trump signs executive order to keep undocumented families together](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together)” > > So… > > (1) … after he declared only Congress can fix this, Trump “fixed” it… > > (2) … by directing the DOD to set space aside on army bases for families to be incarcerated together. > > So, awesome. We’ve pulled back from “worse-than-Hitler” levels of evil (“BABY CONCENTRATION CAMPS”) to “merely Hitler” levels (just concentration camps). > > 'MURICA! Senoy called it yesterday in the Elections forum: > [@Families separated at the Border - effects upon the Midterms?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/families-separated-at-the-border-effects-upon-the-midterms/816396/3): > > …the Fox News churn has them convinced that this is Obama’s fault and Trump’s hands are tied. They honestly believe that Trump had nothing to do with this and it has been happening for years and only now is coming out because the Democrats are playing politics. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if what happens is that Trump cancels his zero tolerance policy with an Executive Order and then it gets spun as he is finally the guy that was willing to put a stop to this injustice despite the Democrats doing their best to keep those people in confinement. … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1093) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1095)