# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1105
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22085 "2018-06-23T21:51:59Z")
> [@](#): > > “Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left,” Sanders tweeted this morning. “Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so. I don’t see any indication in the article that the owner was impolite or disrespectful when she asked Sanders to leave. And Sanders is the one airing this in public. That says more about Sanders than it does about the owner of the restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22086 "2018-06-23T22:10:11Z")
People who don’t already refer to Occupy White House as “liar” will not start doing so. If anything, they will double down on the falsehoods. Just a while ago, I checked my fb feed. Yep, a relative who supports OWH reposted that BS about Jane Fonda getting POWs punished. Why did he repost it? She’s not a trumper. In their world, those that call out the liar are the evil ones. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22087 "2018-06-23T22:24:09Z")
Remember how right after the election there was that app that changed thump’s face to a kitten’s face every time he showed up? I want an app that changes every euphemism/synonym for LIE to the word LIE in an item about thump no matter where it appears. > [@](#): > > deceit > deception > dishonesty > disinformation > distortion > evasion > fabrication > falsehood > fiction > forgery > inaccuracy > misrepresentation > myth > perjury > slander > tale > aspersion > backbiting > calumniation > calumny > defamation > detraction > fable > falseness > falsification > falsity > fib > fraudulence > guile > hyperbole > invention > libel > mendacity > misstatement > obloquy > prevarication > revilement > reviling > subterfuge > vilification > whopper > tall story > white lie ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22088 "2018-06-23T22:42:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Remember how right after the election there was that app that changed thump’s face to a kitten’s face every time he showed up? I want an app that changes every euphemism/synonym for LIE to the word LIE in an item about thump no matter where it appears. How about simply changing the words “said” and “tweeted” to “lied,” whenever those words follow “Trump”? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22089 "2018-06-23T22:49:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Huckabee used her official White House Press Secretary account to call out a restaurant and its owner by name. Any harm done to that woman will be on her head, but she won’t feel a bit of guilt. > … Sanders’ use of her official Press Secretary account for this personal business is an actual violation of an actual policy: > [@](#): > > Sarah, I know you don’t care even a tiny little bit about the ethics rules, but using your official account for this is a clear violation of 5 CFR 2635.702(a). It’s the same as if an ATF agent pulled out his badge when a restaurant tried to throw him/her out. [https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1010608206429581312](https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1010608206429581312) This comes from the former director of the Office of Government Ethics, Walter Shaub, who knows what he’s talking about. Nice for SHS that she works in a White House in which no one is held accountable for their violations of policies and laws, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22090 "2018-06-23T23:14:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > How about simply changing the words “said” and “tweeted” to “lied,” whenever those words follow “Trump”? Excellent idea! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22091 "2018-06-24T01:06:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Sanders’ use of her official Press Secretary account for this personal business is an actual violation of an actual policy: > [x.com](https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1010608206429581312) > > This comes from the former director of the Office of Government Ethics, Walter Shaub, who knows what he’s talking about. > > Nice for SHS that she works in a White House in which no one is held accountable for their violations of policies and laws, I guess. Good god yes. I work for county government. GIS. We do maps. Many people start with us to identify any boundary descriptions. I’ll certainly give them all the data we have. And it is heavily disclaimered. It’s only so accurate. When asked for a recommendation for a surveyor, engineer or title company… we just don’t go there. We can’t and won’t. It’s not the job of government to recommend a private company. To use my ‘creds’ as a county employee to get anything would have this 25 year employee SEVERLY reprimanded. If not shown the door. As it should be. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22092 "2018-06-24T01:22:10Z")
“We don’t serve your kind here.” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22093 "2018-06-24T02:55:15Z")
Still and all, the Washington Post piece is merely an op-ed essay. Paul Krugman (for one) has been calling the short-fingered vulgarian a liar in his column since forever. When an actual NEWS ARTICLE says “President Lies about the Refugee Situation/North Korea/his Dick Size” in the headline, THEN I will stand up and salute the print media. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22094 "2018-06-24T03:01:39Z")
The official line that I’ve heard (on NPR, I think) is that “lie” indicates intent, and a reputable journalist can’t always judge the speakers intent. FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22095 "2018-06-24T03:10:28Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The official line that I’ve heard (on NPR, I think) is that “lie” indicates intent, and a reputable journalist can’t always judge the speakers intent. FWIW. It seems that the ones holding to that official line are ignoring what a reputable journalist told them about Trump: > **[Lesley Stahl: Trump admitted mission to "discredit" press](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lesley-stahl-donald-trump-said-attacking-press-to-discredit-negative-stories/)** > > Veteran "60 Minutes" correspondent says Trump admitted attacking press so "no one will believe" negative stories about him > [@](#): > > CBS “60 Minutes” correspondent Lesley Stahl has revealed a candid remark made to her by then-presidential candidate Donald Trump in 2016. Stahl told a group of fellow journalists at the Deadline Club Awards Dinner in New York City earlier this week that Mr. Trump had admitted his consistent attacks on the media were meant to “discredit” journalists so that negative stories about him would not be believed. > > Stahl was the first television journalist to sit down with Mr. Trump for an interview following his election victory. Their wide-ranging on-camera interview did not delve into Mr. Trump’s attitude toward the press, but Stahl said on Monday night that in a candid, off-camera meeting earlier that year, she pressed him to explain his barrage of insults aimed at journalists, and he gave her a clear explanation: > > “I said, ‘You know, that is getting tired. Why are you doing this? You’re doing it over and over. It’s boring and it’s time to end that,’” Stahl said on stage alongside "PBS Newshour anchor Judy Woodruff. > \*\* > “He said, ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you.’\*\* He said that,” Stahl told the audience, adding, “So, put that in your head for a minute.” > > The audience, and Stahl’s fellow panellist Woodruff did take a moment to process the remarks. > > “We’re all absorbing what you just said,” Woodruff said in reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22096 "2018-06-24T04:02:10Z")
> [@Sarah Huckabee Sanders](#): > > Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so. Actually, the 3rd sentence calls out the lie in the 4th sentence. Sarah, you weren’t asked to leave because you’re a Republican; you were asked to leave because you’re a horrible person. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22097 "2018-06-24T04:25:14Z")
:smack: 2nd not 3rd. 3rd not 4th. I can’t count tonight, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22098 "2018-06-24T05:20:32Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > When an actual NEWS ARTICLE says “President Lies about the Refugee Situation/North Korea/his Dick Size” in the headline, THEN I will stand up and salute the print media. Let me tell you a story. I worked with these two guys, I will call them Buck and Tom, who were decent, competent, hell, I would call them friends. This was in the early '90s, and they started every evening (we worked graveyard) coming up to tell me the thing that Rush said on the radio today. I put up with it for too long, because I otherwise liked Tom, and Buck was the shift supervisor over me. Finally one evening they came to say, “_Did you hear about what Rush said this morning_” to which I replied, “who?” And that was that. We were friends and worked well together, but they got it, and I never again heard about the big fat idiot from them. So that is what I want from the media. “_Today the Whitehouse issued an official statement that said some stuff. We cannot tell you what that stuff was because (it was utter bullshit) and our policy is to present accurate information. There was a three car pileup on highway 9 just outside of Elixir Falls, with the driver and passenger of the Smart Car now in ICU with serious injuries …_” I mean, dammit, beg the media, PDNFTFT. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22099 "2018-06-24T05:31:40Z")
Seems rather dangerous to me to ignore what the President of the United States says, no matter how buffoonish and mendacious he is. That kind of stuff was better before the election. Kinda too late for it now. ETA: plus, with lack of reporting, it gives his supporters and their media sources the best opportunity to define the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22100 "2018-06-24T05:33:38Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Wintertime, thank you for taking the time to write such an informative post. Hey; yeah. :smack: I forgot to add my voice to the chorus but that was an excellent post, **wintertime** ; thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22101 "2018-06-24T06:22:57Z")
I heartily applaud the restauranteur who kicked Sanders out on her flabby ass. The same should be done to any child molester, which is what Trump and his ilk have turned out to be when you get right down to it. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22102 "2018-06-24T06:35:03Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I heartily applaud the **restauranteur** who kicked Sanders out on her flabby ass. The same should be done to any child molester, which is what Trump and his ilk have turned out to be when you get right down to it. - restaurateur ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22103 "2018-06-24T06:51:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This is, what, the third time this week an administration official has been booted from a restaurant? We don’t know if administration officials got kicked out or restaurants or if that’s just something that Trump administration officials are pretending happened this week. Let’s face it; this is the kind of lies they tell routinely. As far as I’m concerned, it’s fake news until I see it confirmed by somebody from outside the administration who’s credible. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22104 "2018-06-24T07:04:32Z")
At this point, I’d be too worried about staff spitting in my food if I were them. I’d just eat at home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1106)