# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1107
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22125 "2018-06-25T02:14:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Stolen from elsewhere: That’s always been the case with [Ur-fascism](http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/). Fascists are intrinsically incapable of assessing the strength of their opponents due to the internal contradictions of the ideology and its political narrative. The Enemy is everywhere & oppressive and poised to swallow everything you love ! It is also weak and uncoordinated and the whole thing will topple like a house of cards when strong men oppose it. But everything that doesn’t work right is because The Enemy. Similarly, Mexicans are lazy but they also steal all the jobs. Jews are subhuman vermin that corrupt society, but they also control everything and are super good with money. Hippies are unmotivated, useless druggies who only think about fucking in the mud, but they’re also the reason Viet-Nam won the war. And so on, and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22126 "2018-06-25T02:36:25Z")
Excellent point, Kobal2 – and that link (to a 1995 essay by Umberto Eco) is instructive. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22127 "2018-06-25T02:43:46Z")
I just wanted to throw out a little humor cause this crap is depressing me. > **[Canada to legalise marijuana to help them cope with living next to America](https://newsthump.com/2017/03/28/canada-to-legalise-marijuana-to-help-them-cope-with-living-next-to-america/)** > > Prime Minister Trudeau says his new domestic policy will be to get baked and wait for the neighbours to chill out a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22128 "2018-06-25T08:43:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Good enough. They need MORE of the same. I disagree. We should openly applaud them for their bravery in eating in public restaurants, many of which have immigrants and minorities working back in their kitchens who could potentially do all sorts of things to their food, plates and cutlery. I mean, I’m sure the staff at these restaurants are all professionals who wouldn’t do anything inappropriate like that, but is that a view that the likes of Sanders and Miller can rely on? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22129 "2018-06-25T09:50:20Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > I’m not offended one iota on behalf of SHS, I just don’t like the message such a remark sends for others to possibly internalize and the reality is few women have more of a visible media presence. Problem is, “alt-left” is a term coined to equivocate between the actual openly racist and sexist alt-right and the progressive left. As such, it is a right wing reactionary shibboleth. It doesn’t actually tell us what in the world is actually bothering you, and only came off as you being a right wing “loose cannon,” to your use your term. I’m glad you took the time to explain your issue was the body shaming. That I can get behind. But not the “alt left” rhetoric. It empowers the alt right when we spread their terminology. That said, hoping someone falls on their fat ass is often used about people who aren’t fat, so I do understand why someone might not think of it that way. I admit that I didn’t think it was about her looks. But now that you mention it, I see the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22130 "2018-06-25T10:14:27Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m glad you took the time to explain your issue was the body shaming. That I can get behind. _blink_ _blink,blink_ You don’t… you don’t \*actually \*believe he really gives a shit about body shaming as an issue, do you ? That’s just type A version 1.0 ideological judo from the right, in the time-honoured mold of “oh but since you embrace tolerance, you’re supposed to tolerate my bigotry ! Ah AH ! Gotcha !”. > [@](#): > > I admit that I didn’t think it was about her looks. That’d be because it fucking wasn’t, and everyone knows it, including **covfefe**. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22131 "2018-06-25T10:20:11Z")
Late for edit : It’s exactly the same as acting oh so very offended by the comedian (I honestly space out her name right now, I’m sorry) who made a “smoky eyes make-up” joke at the WH Correspondent’s dinner about how much SHS lies every day, but the joke was framed in such a way that conservatives could, by deliberately missing the point, claim it was really about her looks. Fuck that and fuck the disingenuity of it all. It’s intellectually insulting. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22132 "2018-06-25T10:38:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Twice in the past several days, Trump has used language of the Third Reich, claiming that foreigners are “infesting” and “invading” America. Infested? That is directly the language of not just the Nazis, but other recent génocidaires as well. “Cockroaches”, yeah? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22133 "2018-06-25T11:11:21Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Excellent point, Kobal2 – and that link (to a 1995 essay by Umberto Eco) is instructive. Sorry, missed that - thanks. I agree that the essay is fantastic and insightful, hence my linking it with very little provocation ever since it’s been linked to me :o. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22134 "2018-06-25T13:33:14Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Late for edit : It’s exactly the same as acting oh so very offended by the comedian (I honestly space out her name right now, I’m sorry) who made a “smoky eyes make-up” joke at the WH Correspondent’s dinner about how much SHS lies every day, but the joke was framed in such a way that conservatives could, by deliberately missing the point, claim it was really about her looks. Fuck that and fuck the disingenuity of it all. It’s intellectually insulting. Michelle Wolf. I forget if it’s with or without an ‘e’ at the end. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22135 "2018-06-25T13:51:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The official line that I’ve heard (on NPR, I think) is that “lie” indicates intent, and a reputable journalist can’t always judge the speakers intent. FWIW. At this point, the standard response should be “that is bullshit”. They KNOW this gang lies. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22136 "2018-06-25T13:56:21Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > They don’t notice the inconsistency because their brains are so flooded with the Joy of the Attack. _“Democrats,” the Enemy! Let us shout completely self-contradictory accusations about them, and dance 'round the fire! Hail the Dear Leader who will keep us safe from The Enemy!_ > > …and so on. Democrats made no such law anyway. Ever. It was a Trump executive order. This “but the Democrats did it” is jut another lie. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22137 "2018-06-25T14:09:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Democrats made no such law anyway. Ever. It was a Trump executive order. This “but the Democrats did it” is jut another lie. On FB a FOAF was repeating the lie. I posted three cites showing he’s wrong. He rejected the Snopes and NBC cites of course. I asked him where Obama was born. He never answered me. But he did respond to my friend’s post, citing Elian Gonzalez to prove that Obama took children from their families. (My friend asked for him if he had any other evidence aside from Elian Gonzalez that this is all Obama’s fault, but he hasn’t responded.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22138 "2018-06-25T14:14:00Z")
Never mind that Elian was sent \*back \*to live with his only surviving _parent_. He’s a Communist, therefore brainwashed and unfit, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22139 "2018-06-25T14:21:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Never mind that Elian was sent \*back \*to live with his only surviving _parent_. He’s a Communist, therefore brainwashed and unfit, apparently. And that the Gonzalez saga happened during the Clinton administration. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22140 "2018-06-25T14:27:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Never mind that Elian was sent \*back \*to live with his only surviving _parent_. He’s a Communist, therefore brainwashed and unfit, apparently. Also, Clinton not Obama… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22141 "2018-06-25T14:33:07Z")
I’ve also read that Planned Parenthood separates parents from their children. I assume that’s an abortion reference. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22142 "2018-06-25T14:58:59Z")
[Trump’s Trade War Leads to Loss of US Jobs](https://www.npr.org/2018/06/25/623140949/casualty-of-trade-tensions-harley-davidson-shifting-more-production-overseas?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news) Congratulations, moron. Republicans better get used to seeing that headline a lot between now and November. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22143 "2018-06-25T15:00:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’ve also read that Planned Parenthood separates parents from their children. I assume that’s an abortion reference. Yes, it’s an attempt to claw their way to the moral high ground from the quagmire they’re currently in. I sometimes point out that anyone who opposes abortion but supports the GOP practices of opposing affordable birth control and comprehensive sex education and closing family planning and women’s health clinics doesn’t really oppose abortion; they just want to feel smug and punish women for having sex. And anyone who is fine with the cancellation of CHIP, with Dreamers being deported to countries they’ve never known and which are highly dangerous, and with the current policy of children being separated from their families and shipped off to DeVos-owned private detention centers doesn’t get to claim they care about children’s lives. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22144 "2018-06-25T15:19:55Z")
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