# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1117
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22325 "2018-06-29T20:33:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump’s nominee to head the UN’s International Organization for Migration has been rejected for his past anti-Islamic posts. It’s only the second time in the organization’s history that it will not be headed by an American. > [Trump's pick to lead U.N. migration agency is rejected](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-pick-lead-u-n-migration-agency-rejected-n887771?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma) The very best people. Uh huh. It seems he is doing his best to completely sabotage this country. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22326 "2018-06-29T20:39:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump’s nominee to head the UN’s International Organization for Migration has been rejected for his past anti-Islamic posts. It’s only the second time in the organization’s history that it will not be headed by an American. > [Trump's pick to lead U.N. migration agency is rejected](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-pick-lead-u-n-migration-agency-rejected-n887771?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma) The conspiracy theorist in me says Trump deliberately trotted this guy out to the UN for that exact purpose. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22327 "2018-06-29T20:45:35Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The very best people. > > Uh huh. > It seems he is doing his best to completely sabotage this country. I’m guessing Putin has his fist shoved so far up Trump’s ass that he literally controls the movement of his lips. Almost every foreign policy move as of late seems to be beneficial to Putin in one way or another. James Clapper believes that Trump is literally Putin’s asset, which means that for all practical purposes, Putin wields enormous influence within the executive branch. I suspect that he has knowledge of financial crimes, or he could bankrupt him somehow. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22328 "2018-06-29T20:47:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The conspiracy theorist in me says Trump deliberately trotted this guy out to the UN for that exact purpose. I disagree. Conspiracy theories are based on poor facts and logic. Trump deliberatly choosing someone unsuitable for a UN post is perfectly in character. He actively wants to harm our reputation around the world. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22329 "2018-06-29T21:07:10Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I disagree. > > Conspiracy theories are based on poor facts and logic. > > Trump deliberatly choosing someone unsuitable for a UN post is perfectly in character. > > He actively wants to harm our reputation around the world. To be more specific, he wants to de-commit the US to any international agreement, organization, or institution in which we participate: WTO, NATO, UN, NAFTA, and others. That strengthens the hand of authoritarians like Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22330 "2018-06-29T21:08:46Z")
[Stuttering John prank calls Donald Trump on Air Force One.](https://www.axios.com/trump-podcast-call-stuttering-john-bb7f0457-7d2c-4324-9c7c-54c8b6866980.html) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22331 "2018-06-30T00:43:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump made the comment after telling the G7 leaders that Crimea probably should belong to Russia because everyone there speaks Russian So I guess he would have no objection if England took America back. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22332 "2018-06-30T00:57:24Z")
I don’t think England would want America back. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22333 "2018-06-30T01:10:07Z")
We could adopt _them_! Ireland, too! Scotland? Think that one over for a while. No reason to rush into it… ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22334 "2018-06-30T02:35:02Z")
Can we make them drive on the right as God intended? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22335 "2018-06-30T04:59:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > We could adopt _them_! Ireland, too! Scotland? Think that one over for a while. No reason to rush into it… Guiness and scotch? Hoot, mon, bring 'em on! ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22336 "2018-06-30T05:50:31Z")
I think it’s really important to remember that this detention issue is part of a larger issue with the prison-industrial complex. The detention centers that are built, the contractors who supply them, have economic motivation as well as being part of a deeply unethical national policy and a form of Trump virtue-signalling to his base (yes, conservatives can virtue-signal just as bad as the worst excesses of the radical left, if not worse.) Could you imagine being a child and being separated from your family, held in an unfamiliar location guarded by men with guns speaking another language - I mean, obviously everyone posting in this thread can imagine this scenario or they wouldn’t be protesting. But can you imagine all that, and also realize that people are profiting from it? There’s racism in this border policy, there’s no doubt about it - racism in Trump’s motivation for 1. ramping up the policy and 2. just talking about it. But there’s also the hands of corporate lobbyists. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22337 "2018-06-30T07:02:44Z")
I disagree with any ideas that Trump has some sort of plan. Trump is nothing more than toddler with a machine gun that wants attention. He is likely in serious financial trouble with the Russians. That much, he understands. It’s clear that he doesn’t care about anything but himself. This is why you shouldn’t give a cranky toddler that needs a nap a machine gun. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22338 "2018-06-30T07:11:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump offered France a better trade deal if they would leave the EU. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/394761-trump-suggested-to-macron-that-france-should-leave-the-eu-report](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/394761-trump-suggested-to-macron-that-france-should-leave-the-eu-report) Yeah, good deal, it’s been going so well for Britain and it’s not like we’ve always been rather ardent EU supporters (if only to piss off the Brits, admittedly. That’s why we do 50% of what we do.) I only hope Jupiter is not dumb enough to fall for such naked\* divide et impera\*… but then again he doesn’t seem to like Trump very much and while he’s a complete asshole, he’s kind of a bright-ish asshole. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22339 "2018-06-30T08:58:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump offered France a better trade deal if they would leave the EU. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/394761-trump-suggested-to-macron-that-france-should-leave-the-eu-report](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/394761-trump-suggested-to-macron-that-france-should-leave-the-eu-report) Putin’s puppet. Trump is doing exactly his bidding: Drive a split into NATO. Drive a split into the EU. Continue to describe Russian collusion with his advisors as fake news. Deny Russian influence in election security tampering. Undermine Russian sanctions by not enforcing congressional actions. Get out of Syrian client state (actually good). Weaken (even more) any US influence with Muslim nations. Abandon trade pacts with allies throughout Europe and Asia. Accede to Russian reoccupation of Crimea, portions of Ukraine and Georgia. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22340 "2018-06-30T11:36:37Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Putin’s puppet. > > Trump is doing exactly his bidding: > Drive a split into NATO. > Drive a split into the EU. > Continue to describe Russian collusion with his advisors as fake news. > Deny Russian influence in election security tampering. > Undermine Russian sanctions by not enforcing congressional actions. > Get out of Syrian client state (actually good). > Weaken (even more) any US influence with Muslim nations. > Abandon trade pacts with allies throughout Europe and Asia. > Accede to Russian reoccupation of Crimea, portions of Ukraine and Georgia. And, make America fight with itself. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22341 "2018-06-30T13:20:01Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Putin’s puppet. > > Trump is doing exactly his bidding: > Drive a split into NATO. > Drive a split into the EU. > Continue to describe Russian collusion with his advisors as fake news. > Deny Russian influence in election security tampering. > Undermine Russian sanctions by not enforcing congressional actions. > Get out of Syrian client state (actually good). > Weaken (even more) any US influence with Muslim nations. > Abandon trade pacts with allies throughout Europe and Asia. > Accede to Russian reoccupation of Crimea, portions of Ukraine and Georgia. What about the Mercers and the Koches? Presumably they expect something in return for all the money they spend. What are their goals and do they align with Russia at all? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22342 "2018-06-30T13:41:58Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > What about the Mercers and the Koches? Presumably they expect something in return for all the money they spend. What are their goals and do they align with Russia at all? The Mercers were involved in the campaign for Brexit and they were investors in Cambridge Analytica, which gathered information that was later used to create psychographic profiles of social media users to spread Russian propaganda. The billionaires want to gut the federal government so that they can control the economy and the political system to create a plutocracy. In addition, they embrace a foreign policy platform of isolationism, unilateralism, reduced international cooperation, and reduced attention to human rights. The Russians are more than happy to help them do that, as it dovetails with Russian interests neatly. Russia wants an America that talks less about human rights. It wants an America that is less concerned with influence abroad. It wants America to play less of a role near its borders. The Kochs are on record as being concerned about the demise of trade agreements and international trade, so they don’t all agree on everything. But they agree fundamentally on many important issues. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22343 "2018-06-30T14:38:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m guessing Putin has his fist shoved so far up Trump’s ass that he literally controls the movement of his lips. Almost every foreign policy move as of late seems to be beneficial to Putin in one way or another. > > James Clapper believes that Trump is literally Putin’s asset, which means that for all practical purposes, Putin wields enormous influence within the executive branch. I suspect that he has knowledge of financial crimes, or he could bankrupt him somehow. Or BOTH. It is common knowledge that his money comes from Russian money laundering schemes - using real estate “deals” as the cover. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22344 "2018-06-30T17:52:21Z")
The Pentagon has removed “to deter war” from its mission statement. [https://taskandpurpose.com/pentagon-mission/](https://taskandpurpose.com/pentagon-mission/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1116) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1118)