# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1123
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@Troy\_McClure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22445 "2018-07-04T23:00:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > So we can steal their oil. Could be. Or it could be because Maduro was dissing Donald: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-nicolas-maduro-united-states-donald-trump-sanctions-opposition/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-nicolas-maduro-united-states-donald-trump-sanctions-opposition/) I’m sure from Trump’s POV, getting revenge for that would totally be worth getting thousands of people killed. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22446 "2018-07-04T23:02:40Z")
So much for the 2016 pro-Trump talking point that ‘unlike Hawk Hillary, Trump won’t get us into foreign wars.’ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22447 "2018-07-04T23:29:54Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So much for the 2016 pro-Trump talking point that ‘unlike Hawk Hillary, Trump won’t get us into foreign wars.’ North America, South America. It’s all America, right? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22448 "2018-07-05T00:35:23Z")
We are not dealing with an adult that has learned that actions have consequences. THAT is Trump. It has actually, somefuckinghow managed to work for him in his ‘business’. Bribes, graft and threats have kept him out of serious trouble. He runs away, or buys people off. Well IMHO, for this sonavabitch, I hope every single crime he has committed floats to the top. He is the ‘top’ now. He should not be allowed to run away. Leavenworth would be too good for him. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22449 "2018-07-05T01:11:18Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Presidents should be able to propose things, stupid or otherwise, and have the right people talk them out of it without it getting out into the public. Sure, if it’s something like “hey guys, how about we slap punitive tariffs on our allies” or dumb shit like that. But we’re talking about some senile old fuck proposing invading and murdering citizens of a sovereign nation _for no national security or other compelling reason._ Yes, everyone needs to know that the fucking “president” is unstable and it’s time to start discussing the 25th Amendment. Whoever leaks that level of crazy coming from a president is a patriot. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22450 "2018-07-05T01:47:31Z")
It should be clear by now that we can’t apply the same standards of maturity and civility to thump that we have done in the past when a normal person was president. He is not a normal person, let alone a normal president. He has no moral code or moral standards. The more we normalize his behavior, the deeper in shit we sink. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22451 "2018-07-05T03:07:00Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Sure, if it’s something like “hey guys, how about we slap punitive tariffs on our allies” or dumb shit like that. But we’re talking about some senile old fuck proposing invading and murdering citizens of a sovereign nation _for no national security or other compelling reason._ > > Yes, everyone needs to know that the fucking “president” is unstable and it’s time to start discussing the 25th Amendment. Whoever leaks that level of crazy coming from a president is a patriot. Realistically, did leaking this get us any closer to the “25th Amendment?” It didn’t do anything whatsoever but possibly tell Trump he shouldn’t listen to, or even consult with, his advisers. For better or for worse, this bullshit invasion was stopped because he was able to hash it out with people who know better, and he ultimately listened to them. Will he next time? And don’t give me this 25th Amendment fantasy. You think this leak to was inform the cabinet and vice president of his incompetence? I want to \*contain \*his stupidity as much as possible behind closed doors with just his advisers and cabinet. This kind of leak? Means it’s less likely to remain contained, imo. All it does is feed into our obsession with the spectacle. Only people who were already outraged by him are outraged by this new leaked info. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22452 "2018-07-05T04:23:27Z")
Today NPR did the annual tradition of tweeting out the Declaration of Independence, followed by the annual butthurt Trump supporters complaining about their anti-Americanism. > **[Trump Fans Accuse NPR of ‘Taxpayer Funded Partisan Advocacy’ After It Tweets...](https://www.alternet.org/2018/07/trump-fans-accuse-npr-taxpayer-funded-partisan-advocacy-after-it-tweets-out-declaration-independence)** > > It's the most wonderful time of the year. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22453 "2018-07-05T05:56:36Z")
Invading Grenada made sense? Top policy wonks opined, wrote memos, stroked their chins and said, Yep, we gotta do what we gotta do. What was it, the Cuban commando tractor drivers were building a runway so Soviet bombers could land and refuel? Career military men pondered the best strategy for successfully smashing a mouse with a sledge hammer? Did anybody say WTF, sir? And Everybody’s Favorite Grandpa Ronnie explained why it was militarily, morally and politically necessary, and everybody in the room said “Well, yeah, we gotta meet the challenge!”. And the rest is history. Well, it _was_ history. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22454 "2018-07-05T11:53:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Invading Grenada made sense? Distracting us from the disaster of the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut three days earlier made \*complete \*political sense. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22455 "2018-07-05T13:02:09Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > … > I want to \*contain \*his stupidity as much as possible behind closed doors with just his advisers and cabinet. This kind of leak? Means it’s less likely to remain contained, imo. All it does is feed into our obsession with the spectacle. Only people who were already outraged by him are outraged by this new leaked info. . Curious about your reasoning on this. Are you saying those of us who are obsessed with the spectacle should ease up because those who see the emperor as fully clothed aren’t bothered or likely to become bothered? If that is what you mean, why should what the MAGAbots think influence our level of obsession? > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Today NPR did the annual tradition of tweeting out the Declaration of Independence, followed by the annual butthurt Trump supporters complaining about their anti-Americanism. > [Trump Fans Accuse NPR of ‘Taxpayer Funded Partisan Advocacy’ After It Tweets Out the Declaration of Independence - Again - Alternet.org](https://www.alternet.org/trump-fans-accuse-npr-taxpayer-funded-partisan-advocacy-after-it-tweets-out-declaration-independence) Ya dunno whether to laugh or cry. I’ve read about this sort of thing in the past–long before thump. Where someone would go out with the Bill of Rights as if it were a petition and ask people if they would sign it. People freaked at how radical it sounded and wouldn’t sign. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22456 "2018-07-05T13:16:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Curious about your reasoning on this. Are you saying those of us who are obsessed with the spectacle should ease up because those who see the emperor as fully clothed aren’t bothered or likely to become bothered? If that is what you mean, why should what the MAGAbots think influence our level of obsession? I’m not saying you should do anything different, unless you were responsible for the leak. Good grief, I’m all about pointing and laughing at the halfwit in the White House, but when the people on the inside get the orange baboon to do the sane, rational thing, but then leak information to either 1) show is what a dumbfuck the president is or 2) show us how great they are at taming the hairy beast, do we really think the hairy beast will be as easy to tame next time he wants to invade Venezuela or Colombia or Canada? “He almost invaded Venezuela! But he was talked out of it!” Yeah, that doesn’t move us any closer to being rid of him, but I daresay it emboldens him to trust his own stupid gut going forward. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22457 "2018-07-05T14:26:34Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m not saying you should do anything different, unless you were responsible for the leak. > > Good grief, I’m all about pointing and laughing at the halfwit in the White House, but when the people on the inside get the orange baboon to do the sane, rational thing, but then leak information to either 1) show is what a dumbfuck the president is or 2) show us how great they are at taming the hairy beast, do we really think the hairy beast will be as easy to tame next time he wants to invade Venezuela or Colombia or Canada? > > “He almost invaded Venezuela! But he was talked out of it!” Yeah, that doesn’t move us any closer to being rid of him, but I daresay it emboldens him to trust his own stupid gut going forward. Ok. I see that. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22458 "2018-07-05T17:17:06Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Venezuela is a mess. Trump has learned nothing from history and thinks an invasion would be met with flowers and that the aftermath would be a Nobel peace prize. You’re giving Trump’s intellegence/compassion too much credit. He doesn’t care how the Venezuelans feel about it. We go in with our big army shoot anyone who objects take and take all their oil. The whole thing is over in 3 weeks, with a big military victory that he can crow to his base about. If a bunch of Venezuelans get killed in the process, who cares? They didn’t vote for him and are probably all MS-13 gang members anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22459 "2018-07-05T17:49:54Z")
This is from a couple of weeks ago, but I had not seen it before. The judge in the state of New York’s fraud case against the Trump Foundation actually laughed when the defense lawyers asked to have the trial postponed till after the fall election. She also suggested that she might call Trump himself to testify. She also said that she didn’t understand why the family was fighting the cast at all and they should have settled out of court. > **[The Inconvenient Legal Troubles That Lie Ahead for the Trump Foundation](https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-inconvenient-legal-troubles-that-lie-ahead-for-the-trump-foundation?__twitter_impression=true)** > > A suit brought by New York’s attorney general is set to be heard shortly before the midterms. It will likely provide the clearest view yet into the inner workings of the Trump Organization. She also said that federal criminal charges should have been filed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22460 "2018-07-05T19:48:33Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > … Whoever leaks that level of crazy coming from a president is a patriot. or simply scared shitless. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22461 "2018-07-05T19:49:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > It should be clear by now that we can’t apply the same standards of maturity and civility to thump that we have done in the past when a normal person was president. He is not a normal person, let alone a normal president. He has no moral code or moral standards. The more we normalize his behavior, the deeper in shit we sink. He’s a fucking animal, and it’s time to recognize that fact. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22462 "2018-07-05T20:02:41Z")
Pruitt gone: > **[Embattled EPA chief Scott Pruitt resigns amid scandals](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pruitt-leaves-20180705-story.html)** > > Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt, one of the most scandal-plagued Cabinet officials in U.S. history, is leaving the agency. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22463 "2018-07-05T20:03:18Z")
[Pruitt blew it!](http://abc7news.com/politics/watch-live-trump-say-scandal-plagued-epa-administrator-pruitt-resigns/3711722/) I like mine better. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![arles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@arles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arles)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22464 "2018-07-05T20:03:33Z")
Scott Pruitt resigns: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/climate/scott-pruitt-epa-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/climate/scott-pruitt-epa-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) Double ninja attack [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1124)