# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2241 "2017-03-10T19:30:10Z")
Foreign tourists are not allowed on White House tours without first going through their embassies. Supposedly. But the British Embassy said that the State Department told them there would be no foreign tourists allowed. > **[Donald Trump just banned British tourists from the White House](https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/donald-trump-invites-foreign-tourists-white-house-ban-bar-state-department-latest-a7617301.html)** > > Exclusive: British Embassy reveals it has been notified by State Department that tycoon's administration has halted all visits ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2242 "2017-03-10T19:39:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > This is what the “moral high ground” of conservatives has become: a little plagiarism is no big deal. A little theft is no big deal. Shutting down the federal government is no big deal. Bald-faced lies are no big deal as long as we get what we want. A little torture is no big deal as long as it gets us what we want. Admission to sexual assault on camera is no big deal. Falsely accusing a former president, on Twitter, of something illegal, with absolutely no evidence, is no big deal. **Hiring a foreign agent to head our _fucking national security_** is no big deal. Calling journalists the “enemy of the people” is no big deal. Having ties to the Russians is no big deal. Handing the West Wing over to a couple of conspiracy theorists and white nationalists is no big deal. Appointing people to run federal departments with absolutely zero professional experience or education in those areas is no big deal. > > And that’s why the clusterfuck of Trump’s presidency is what it is. The water in the pot just keeps getting warmer and warmer, and the frogs just keep making excuses as to why we just couldn’t \*possibly \*be getting boiled alive. Oh, but fucksticks like this latest copy-and-paste troll, they’ve got the “moral high ground.” Fuck that. You’re fucking destroying this country, and you’re too stupid to even realize it, or care. > > Now can we please put this fucker on ignore and get back to pointing at Trump’s dumbfuckery already? Update: [Trump team was told Flynn might need to register as foreign agent](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-flynn-turkey-foreign-agent-trump-20170310-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2243 "2017-03-10T19:40:04Z")
Odd. [Medical examiner told by State Department not to release cause of death for Russian diplomat.](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/state-department-ordered-new-york-medical-examiner-to-conceal-russian-diplomats-cause-of-death/) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2244 "2017-03-10T19:41:31Z")
The State Department wants the New York City Medical Examiner to cover up the cause of Vitaly Churkin’s death. > **[State Dept. seeks to keep Russian diplomat’s cause of death private](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323403-state-dept-asks-ny-medical-examiner-not-to-release-russian/)** > > The State Department asked the New York Medical Examiner not to publicly release information about the cause of death of Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations.Vitaly Churkin died une… ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2245 "2017-03-10T19:41:53Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Update: > [Trump team was told Flynn might need to register as foreign agent](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-flynn-turkey-foreign-agent-trump-20170310-story.html) Excuse-making shitbirds: “Hey, no big deal. He’s gone now, what do you want?” ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2246 "2017-03-10T19:49:35Z")
Are there people out there who are actually buying this shit? The Spicegirl on employment numbers: > [@](#): > > “They may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now.” [He really said it.](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-monthly-jobs-numbers-sean-spicer-235936) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2247 "2017-03-10T19:56:29Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Odd. > > [Medical examiner told by State Department not to release cause of death for Russian diplomat.](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/state-department-ordered-new-york-medical-examiner-to-conceal-russian-diplomats-cause-of-death/) [Yowza](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4). Hmm, why wouldn’t State want his cause of death released? Hmm. I said it before, and I’ll say it again: This whole shit show will make a great movie someday. If’n we don’t all get blowed up first. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2248 "2017-03-10T19:57:39Z")
How does Spicer shave or dress while having to avoid looking at himself in the mirror? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2249 "2017-03-10T20:01:07Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Odd. > > [Medical examiner told by State Department not to release cause of death for Russian diplomat.](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/state-department-ordered-new-york-medical-examiner-to-conceal-russian-diplomats-cause-of-death/) “In order to comply with international law and protocol, the New York City Law Department has instructed the Office of Chief Medical Examiner to not publicly disclose the cause and manner of death of Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations.” … “As outlined in formal requests from the United States Department of State, Ambassador Churkin’s diplomatic immunity survives his death. Further questions concerning this matter should be directed to the United States Department of State.” Seems like it is a matter of protocol. Can you find me a case of another person covered by diplomatic immunity dying in the United States whose cause of death was made public? If you can, you’d have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2250 "2017-03-10T20:10:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How does Spicer shave or dress while having to avoid looking at himself in the mirror? He really, honestly believes what he says. He is confident that the employment numbers were totally phony when Obama was president; that the unemployment rate was really 42%, instead of the reported number of 5.0% in April 2016. Now, Spicer \*\*knows \*\*that the reported number of 4.7% unemployment is absolutely correct and that Trump has \*singlehandedly \*brought the unemployment rate down to 4.7% ALL BY HIMSELF. Spicer simply knows that this is true, and anyone who disputes this is an enemy of the people. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2251 "2017-03-10T20:16:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He really, honestly believes what he says. > > He is confident that the employment numbers were totally phony when Obama was president; that the unemployment rate was really 42%, instead of the reported number of 5.0% in April 2016. Now, Spicer \*\*knows \*\*that the reported number of 4.7% unemployment is absolutely correct and that Trump has \*singlehandedly \*brought the unemployment rate down to 4.7% ALL BY HIMSELF. > > Spicer simply knows that this is true, and anyone who disputes this is an enemy of the people. OK, maybe he had to be that deluded to take the job. Is anyone out there or on here that deluded? How about it, **Okrahoma**? Are you buying this horseshit? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2252 "2017-03-10T20:18:39Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How does Spicer shave or dress while having to avoid looking at himself in the mirror? Not the first time that’s been asked of a Press Secretary:[Doonesbury cartoon](http://joninalbanyblog.blogspot.com/2017/01/life-imitating-art.html). > [@](#): > > I had no idea who the two men were when I read this in the early/mid 80s. The voice on the left is White House reporter Hugh Sidney and the voice on the right is Nixon press secretary Ron Ziegler. > > Panel 1: Okay, who’d like a press briefing?! > > Panel 2: > > Panel 3: …in sum, the information available to me at this time does correspond to my knowledge at the time of my previous statement. > > Panel 4: That was beautiful, Ron. Any other questions? > > Panel 5: Yes. I have one, Ron. Yes, Mr. Sidney? > > Panel 6: Ron, sometimes I imagine you get up in the morning, look in the mirror before you’ve shaven, and think to yourself, “Ron, you’re about to begin another day of evasion and deceit.” > > Panel 7: Here’s my question, Ron: What do you do after you’ve come to such a realization? > > Panel 8: I shave. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2253 "2017-03-10T20:18:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How does Spicer shave or dress while having to avoid looking at himself in the mirror? Apparently. His US flag lapel pin was upside down this morning. [ICE detains US citizen for seven days despite his repeated claims that he was a citizen.](http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/ice-agents-illegally-detained-colorado-us-citizen-for-days-because-he-was-hispanic-lawsuit-claims) ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2254 "2017-03-10T20:20:49Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > OK, maybe he had to be that deluded to take the job. > > Is anyone out there or on here that deluded? How about it, **Okrahoma**? Are you buying this horseshit? As long as unemployment is measured by the same method month to month or year to year, trends can be seen, if not the absolute numbers. Is that what you wanted to know? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2255 "2017-03-10T20:21:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Apparently. His US flag lapel pin was upside down this morning. > > [ICE detains US citizen for seven days despite his repeated claims that he was a citizen.](http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/ice-agents-illegally-detained-colorado-us-citizen-for-days-because-he-was-hispanic-lawsuit-claims) It look right-side up to him. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2256 "2017-03-10T20:23:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He really, honestly believes what he says. > > He is confident that the employment numbers were totally phony when Obama was president; that the unemployment rate was really 42%, instead of the reported number of 5.0% in April 2016. Now, Spicer \*\*knows \*\*that the reported number of 4.7% unemployment is absolutely correct and that Trump has \*singlehandedly \*brought the unemployment rate down to 4.7% ALL BY HIMSELF. > > Spicer simply knows that this is true, and anyone who disputes this is an enemy of the people. I find him objectionable enough without now having to grant the possibility that he’s a completely delusional fucking loon. I’m sorry, but no. Lying propagandist without a shred of conscience is a far more plausible explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2257 "2017-03-10T20:24:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As long as unemployment is measured by the same method month to month or year to year, trends can be seen, if not the absolute numbers. Is that what you wanted to know? Nope. What I would like to know is do you believe that the employment numbers "may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now.” ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2258 "2017-03-10T20:25:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Seems like it is a matter of protocol. > > Can you find me a case of another person covered by diplomatic immunity dying in the United States whose cause of death was made public? If you can, you’d have a point. If this is simply a matter of protocol as you say, then surely you can find one other instance of something similar happening. If its just routine protocol there must be other examples, right? Also can you cite where this protocol is written down? Or is this one of those unwritten rules that only Republicans know about? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2259 "2017-03-10T20:27:02Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As long as unemployment is measured by the same method month to month or year to year, trends can be seen, if not the absolute numbers. Is that what you wanted to know? Which it always has been. Which as a pig-ignorant Trumpsucker, you no doubt were unaware of. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2260 "2017-03-10T20:29:03Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As long as unemployment is measured by the same method month to month or year to year, trends can be seen, if not the absolute numbers. Is that what you wanted to know? He wanted to know if you were buying the horseshit. It was a perfectly clear question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=114)