# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1132
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22625 "2018-07-10T13:47:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It shows we can’t trust this administration to tell us the truth about _anything_. It’s been nineteen months now and you’re just discovering this? How about Day Fuckin’ One – the [biggest inauguration](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/21/sean-spicer/trump-had-biggest-inaugural-crowd-ever-metrics-don/) crowd _evah!_ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22626 "2018-07-10T13:50:34Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > It’s been nineteen months now and you’re just discovering this? How about Day Fuckin’ One – the [biggest inauguration](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/21/sean-spicer/trump-had-biggest-inaugural-crowd-ever-metrics-don/) crowd _evah!_ Yes, I’m just discovering this. I mean, that’s what I wrote, isn’t it? :rolleyes::dubious: Is this your first interaction with actual people? Or were you dropped on your head recently? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22627 "2018-07-10T13:52:54Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I don’t actually see that in the question. Sort of both, I guess. But it seems like a lot of things recently, it is wrong because nobody ever did it that way before. Not because it’s against the law or anything. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22628 "2018-07-10T13:54:13Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > 1. Because outgoing justices do not get to pick (other than with their votes as a citizen) their successors. > > 2. Because backroom deals are not how we populate the highest court in the land. > > 3. Because it’s slimy. The system we have now where justices are basically forced by convention to hold the job until they die or are in such ill health that they literally can’t perform anymore is pretty inhumane. It’s a tough spot to be in. Kennedy is 81 years old, if he’s worried that Trump is going to appoint a whackjob if he retires, his only other options are to not retire at all, or work out some kind of a deal to avoid a whackjob taking the post. I agree it seems slimy, but if slimy gets us a competent (albeit conservative) judge versus whoever Trump would nominate on his own accord, I’m not sure that’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22629 "2018-07-10T13:54:24Z")
> [@greysoncarlisle](#): > > oh and lookie here: > > > [@](#): > > > > giuliani worked for foreign clients while serving as trump’s attorney: Report > > > > rudy giuliani is reportedly still working on behalf of foreign clients months after joining president trump’s legal team, raising conflict of interest concerns. > > > > The post reported that one of the clients reportedly is kharkiv, ukraine, whose mayor was a prominent figure in the party of regions political party. The newspaper notes the political party was at the center of a federal conspiracy prosecution involving trump’s former campaign chairman, paul manafort. > > > > If giuliani is found operating in violation of that law, he could face up to 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine, the post noted. > > - [the hill](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396235-giuliani-worked-for-foreign-clients-while-serving-as-trumps) Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! _ **Lock him up!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22630 "2018-07-10T13:57:00Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Are you implying that Trump is a gully dwarf? I feel offended on their behalf! I was thinking more ‘cross of a gully dwarf and a troll’. Gully dwarves are much prettier and have better manners than Mr. Trump. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22631 "2018-07-10T14:00:29Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > The system we have now where justices are basically forced by convention to hold the job until they die or are in such ill health that they literally can’t perform anymore is pretty inhumane. It’s a tough spot to be in. Kennedy is 81 years old, if he’s worried that Trump is going to appoint a whackjob if he retires, his only other options are to not retire at all, or work out some kind of a deal to avoid a whackjob taking the post. I agree it seems slimy, but if slimy gets us a competent (albeit conservative) judge versus whoever Trump would nominate on his own accord, I’m not sure that’s a bad thing. That’s a good point. If true, I could forgive Kennedy. Mostly. The cronyism of wanting his former clerk to replace him is still slimy. But Trump’s song and dance about “two women on my shortlist” and “I will have a decision soon” cannot be forgiven. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22632 "2018-07-10T14:14:49Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Okay, I’m on vacation (poor WiFi). So who’s this latest teat-feeder blocking, Benghazi bashing, Obamadidit conservative nominee Kavanaugh? He’s probably the best we could have gotten, in the field of what we could expect from Trump and the current Congress. He’s a conservative but there’s no way anyone who isn’t a conservative was being considered. I don’t think the administration even bothered floating any names and pretending they were considering non-conservatives. But he appears to have some principles beyond just following the conservative line. He seems to believe that the law outweighs party considerations. I feel that he’ll apply the law in a conservative way but he won’t ignore the law even if the Republican party line wants him to. Kavanaugh seems to be a strong advocate of executive privilege, which I’m assuming was a big point in his favor with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22633 "2018-07-10T14:16:49Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > That’s a good point. If true, I could forgive Kennedy. Mostly. The cronyism of wanting his former clerk to replace him is still slimy. > > But Trump’s song and dance about “two women on my shortlist” and “I will have a decision soon” cannot be forgiven. Well his decision could have been, “Do I renege on my deal with Kennedy and appoint someone else?” I certainly wouldn’t put that past Trump. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22634 "2018-07-10T14:21:27Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Well his decision could have been, “Do I renege on my deal with Kennedy and appoint someone else?” I certainly wouldn’t put that past Trump. I imagine that Kennedy would have withdrawn his resignation in that event. Assuming that he’s allowed to withdraw it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22635 "2018-07-10T17:38:52Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Are you implying that Trump is a gully dwarf? I feel offended on their behalf! Nah. Gully dwarves are way smarter than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22636 "2018-07-10T18:06:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Nah. Gully dwarves are way smarter than Trump. And far more ethical ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22637 "2018-07-10T18:08:47Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > And far more ethical “BUPU 2020! She’s gotta be better than this asshole!” ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22638 "2018-07-10T18:15:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > “BUPU 2020! She’s gotta be better than this asshole!” And classier ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22639 "2018-07-10T18:18:18Z")
Kavanaugh began his speech last night by claiming that Trump’s search for a Justice was the most extensive in history. Lying right from the start. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22640 "2018-07-10T18:33:44Z")
I doubt the guy will answer _any_ confirmation questions, much less ones from Democrats, but I really want someone to ask him if Turmp asked him for personal loyalty. That and if he thinks persons who holds the presidency are subject to any laws whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22641 "2018-07-10T18:52:10Z")
Trump has pardoned the two Oregon ranchers whose convictions were the trigger for the Bundy takeover of the wildlife refuge. > **[Heroes or criminals? Trump pardons 2 Oregon ranchers](https://apnews.com/7060f760f76f4608a72359f2ddcc98be/Trump-pardons-ranchers-in-case-that-inspired-2016-occupation)** > > SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Rugged individualists to some, dangerous arsonists to others, a father and son who were convicted of intentionally setting fires on public land in Oregon were pardoned Tuesday by President Donald Trump... ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22642 "2018-07-10T19:01:39Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has pardoned the two Oregon ranchers whose convictions were the trigger for the Bundy takeover of the wildlife refuge. > [https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/07/10/trump-pardons-ranchers-case-inspired-2016-occupation/](https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/07/10/trump-pardons-ranchers-case-inspired-2016-occupation/) But…but…what about the rule of law? Hasn’t trump’s position been that they must follow the law? Or does that only apply to separating children? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22643 "2018-07-10T19:09:05Z")
The Court has to follow the law. The President has no such limitations. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22644 "2018-07-10T19:56:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > He’s the one who is on the record saying the president cannot be indicted. Actually, he did not. He said that a President should not be indicted and that congress should pass a law. That is being discussed over here: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858413](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858413) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1133)