# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1134
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22665 "2018-07-11T15:43:55Z")
[Still _more_ winning!](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/trumps-office-of-refugee-resettlement-is-budgeting-for-a-surge-in-child-separations.html) > [@](#): > > The Office of Refugee Resettlement is preparing for the possibility of another surge in family separations. Internal documents obtained by Slate show that ORR has modeled a scenario in which the Trump administration’s border policies could require the detention of thousands more immigrant children… > > …The documents also indicate that HHS plans to pay for child separation by reallocating money from the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program, which, according to its website, “provides a comprehensive system of care that includes primary medical care and essential support services for people living with HIV who are uninsured or underinsured.” Per the documents, the process of transferring those HIV/AIDS funds has already begun… ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22666 "2018-07-11T16:08:45Z")
This level of casual child abuse just boggles the mind. How is it even legal? Since when is it defensible to punish children for the “crimes” of their parents? And not even have a plan to eventually reunite them! In a just world, this would be enough to topple a president. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22667 "2018-07-11T17:39:26Z")
And now Trump is attacking NATO (the single greatest - and only - obstacle to Russian expansionism in Europe) again. In an amazing show of “projecting your crimes on the Other”, he is accusing Germany of being a Russian “captive”. Because German leaders weren’t smart enough to secure Trump’s permission before negotiating a 2005 gas pipeline deal with Russia. On Monday he goes to Helsinki, to get his performance appraisal and marching orders from Putin - with nobody else in the room. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22668 "2018-07-11T17:41:48Z")
This is truly frightening. I imagine that for the first time, our NATO allies are seriously considering whether they can trust the American president with classified information. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22669 "2018-07-11T17:44:38Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > This is truly frightening. I imagine that for the first time, our NATO allies are seriously considering whether they can trust the American president with classified information. I’m pretty sure they have been distrusting of him since he burned Israel a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22670 "2018-07-11T17:45:42Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > This is truly frightening. I imagine that for the first time, our NATO allies are seriously considering whether they can trust the American president with classified information. They already know they CAN’T. Look what he’s already done with secret information… handed it to the Russians. See the post directly above mine, he beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22671 "2018-07-11T17:52:29Z")
If there’s a long-term benefit to this disaster, it might be that the stable, economically-strong democracies who have been used to letting the US take the lead on foreign and military matters develop more leadership and take on more burden themselves. That was already happening, especially in Germany, but Trump provides solid evidence that Europe can and must take a larger role, not in Europe and elsewhere in the world. Other than that, I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22672 "2018-07-11T17:53:14Z")
Oh, Mannyfort, you bad boy! Have you been busted breaking the conditions of your _jail sentence_ by sending surreptitious emails? > ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22673 "2018-07-11T17:53:39Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > On Monday he goes to Helsinki, to get his performance appraisal and marching orders from Putin - **with nobody else in the room**. Surely there will interpreters? Or are they going to try to communicate through a translation program of some sort. Knowing how Trump types and turns a phrase… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22674 "2018-07-11T17:54:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Surely there will interpreters? Or are they going to try to communicate through a translation program of some sort. Knowing how Trump types and turns a phrase… Maybe it’s like the Borg hive mind or something 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22675 "2018-07-11T17:57:09Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Surely there will interpreters? Or are they going to try to communicate through a translation program of some sort. Knowing how Trump types and turns a phrase… I’d be surprised if Vlad didn’t speak English. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22676 "2018-07-11T17:57:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, Mannyfort, you bad boy! Have you been busted breaking the conditions of your _jail sentence_ by sending surreptitious emails? > > [https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1017100508211838977?s=19](https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1017100508211838977?s=19) “Did you think you’d get away with it? Did you think I wouldn’t know? Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa!” ~ The Shadow ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22677 "2018-07-11T17:59:32Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’d be surprised if Vlad didn’t speak English. Looks like you’re correct. I thought I had heard otherwise but am mistaken. Does Trump speak English too? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22678 "2018-07-11T18:17:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Surely there will interpreters? Or are they going to try to communicate through a translation program of some sort. Knowing how Trump types and turns a phrase… What’s Russian for “covfefe”? 😕 > [@enipla](#): > > Looks like you’re correct. I thought I had heard otherwise but am mistaken. > > Does Trump speak English too? :dubious: See for yourself! > [@Donald J. Trump](#): > > Special Council is told to find crimes wether crimes exist or not. I was opposed to the the selection of Mueller to be Special Council, I still am opposed to it. I think President Trump was right when he said there never should have bee a Special Council appointed because……, ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22679 "2018-07-11T18:27:04Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > What’s Russian for “covfefe”? 😕 What’s English for it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22680 "2018-07-11T18:28:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Does Trump speak English too? :dubious: Judge for yourself: > [@](#): > > “I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22681 "2018-07-11T18:30:11Z")
If I were head of NATO, I’d be setting a canary trap for Trump this week: feed him some bogus info about NATO upgrading its choice of aircraft, or something…see if it turns up in Russian intercepts. That’d be interesting. I mean, horrifying. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22682 "2018-07-11T18:32:08Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What’s English for it? “Stupid Watergate.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22683 "2018-07-11T18:34:42Z")
It was the Elton John…comparison I was thinking of. Though there are plenty to choose from. > [@jsc1953](#): > > If I were head of NATO, I’d be setting a canary trap for Trump this week: feed him some bogus info about NATO upgrading its choice of aircraft, or something…see if it turns up in Russian intercepts. > > That’d be interesting. I mean, horrifying. It wouldn’t be illegal to feed Trump some incorrect or miss-leading info that he might brag about knowing to Putin, would it? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22684 "2018-07-11T19:18:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It was the Elton John…comparison I was thinking of. Though there are plenty to choose from. > > It wouldn’t be illegal to feed Trump some incorrect or miss-leading info that he might brag about knowing to Putin, would it? I’m sure it’s illegal for for CIA et al to feed trump untrue information but I can’t think of any law Germany would break they would care about by lieing to trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1133) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1135)