# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2261 "2017-03-10T20:32:46Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > If this is simply a matter of protocol as you say, then surely you can find one other instance of something similar happening. If its just routine protocol there must be other examples, right? Also can you cite where this protocol is written down? Or is this one of those unwritten rules that only Republicans know about? That is the State Department’s statement - they say it should not be released because of diplomatic immunity. I presume they know what the rules of diplomatic immunity are better than you or I. Your inquiries should be directed to the State Dept. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2262 "2017-03-10T20:33:02Z")
[Spicer broke a federal rule when he hailed jobs report too soon after its release](http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-spicer-broke-a-federal-rule-when-he-1489164146-htmlstory.html) He fucks up even legit good news. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2263 "2017-03-10T20:34:34Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That is the State Department’s statement - they say it should not be released because of diplomatic immunity. I presume they know what the rules of diplomatic immunity are better than you or I. I don’t presume anything to be true that this administration says. They haven’t earned that right. You may take everything they say as gospel but on this board we expect citations, not just appeal to authority. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2264 "2017-03-10T20:35:14Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Nope. What I would like to know is do you believe that the employment numbers "may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now.” The employment numbers are as phony or real today as they were in the (recent) past - since they are compiled by the same people using the same methods. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2265 "2017-03-10T20:35:18Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > **Dropzone** , you said what I was thinking, but you said it much better than I could. Deeply appreciated. Shy. :o > [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s the usual: _noun_ + _verb_ + Lügenpresse!, with these nitwits. Not an original thought between the lot of 'em. Note to all: That’s not a cookie. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2266 "2017-03-10T20:38:25Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The employment numbers are as phony or real today as they were in the (recent) past - since they are compiled by the same people using the same methods. Cool. So Trump should acknowledge that things improved immensely under Obama, right? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2267 "2017-03-10T20:40:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He wanted to know if you were buying the horseshit. It was a perfectly clear question. Exactly. Trump is full of shit. Okrahoma: Do you agree with that or is his claim via Spicer that the numbers before were fake but are now real? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2268 "2017-03-10T20:40:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I find him objectionable enough without now having to grant the possibility that he’s a completely delusional fucking loon. > > I’m sorry, but no. Lying propagandist without a shred of conscience is a far more plausible explanation. A man without a shred of conscience would not serve his country honorably in the Navy Reserve for over 17 years, where he now holds the rank of a commander. [The next White House Press Secretary is a Navy officer](http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/spicer-press-secretary-navy-trump) ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2269 "2017-03-10T20:44:10Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > A man without a shred of conscience would not serve his country honorably in the Navy Reserve for over 17 years, where he now holds the rank of a commander. [The next White House Press Secretary is a Navy officer](http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/spicer-press-secretary-navy-trump) Please. Are you trying to say that being in a military reserve or on active duty is proof one has a conscience? Have you read nothing about military history? ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2270 "2017-03-10T20:52:01Z")
Ok, who’s going to search for where that post came from? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2271 "2017-03-10T20:52:03Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > A man without a shred of conscience would not serve his country honorably in the Navy Reserve for over 17 years, where he now holds the rank of a commander. [The next White House Press Secretary is a Navy officer](http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/spicer-press-secretary-navy-trump) McCain was an officer and threw away his honor to toady up to Trump just to get re-elected. Party before Country as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2272 "2017-03-10T20:54:01Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I said it before, and I’ll say it again: This whole shit show will make a great movie someday. If’n we don’t all get blowed up first. Nah, even fiction has to be believable. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2273 "2017-03-10T20:55:29Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > A man without a shred of conscience would not serve his country honorably in the Navy Reserve for over 17 years, where he now holds the rank of a commander. [The next White House Press Secretary is a Navy officer](http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/spicer-press-secretary-navy-trump) Oh this is hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2274 "2017-03-10T21:02:17Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > McCain was an officer and threw away his honor to toady up to Trump just to get re-elected. > Party before Country as usual. I think it’s disgraceful to say that a military veteran like McCain automatically forfeited his honor by supporting Trump in the election. He was the choice of the Republican primary voters; the base had participated and spoken in the primary election. McCain endorsed him, feeling he shouldn’t ignore the will of the base. Oh, and McCain withdrew his endorsement of Trump after that lewd, sexually aggressive tape came out and said he “couldn’t support him,” and instead wrote-in Mike Pence for President–which I thought was disgusting, hypocritical and moralistic move on his part, given his own past comments regarding females. Indeed, McCain once said that about Chelsea Clinton:“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” ([Salon Newsreal | A joke too bad to print?](https://web.archive.org/web/20080307083914/http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html)) I lost a lot of respect for McCain after he withdrew his endorsement of Trump, which struck me as high-horsed moralistic, sanctimonious rubbish. Anyway, it’s not right to say he “toad[ied]” up to Trump, seeing as how he revoked his endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2275 "2017-03-10T21:05:41Z")
> [@](#): > > I think it’s disgraceful to say that a military veteran like McCain automatically forfeited his honor by supporting Trump in the election. I agree. He had no honor left after elevating Sarah Palin to national consciousness. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2276 "2017-03-10T21:06:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I lost a lot of respect for McCain after he withdrew his endorsement of Trump, which struck me as high-horsed moralistic, sanctimonious rubbish. Anyway, it’s not right to say he “toad[ied]” up to Trump, seeing as how he revoked his endorsement. He should never have endorsed him in the first place. Trump is not fit to run the DMV, let alone serve as President of the United States. \* Everyone\* who endorsed him will have a lot to answer for one day. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2277 "2017-03-10T21:11:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > He should never have endorsed him in the first place. Trump is not fit to run the DMV, let alone serve as President of the United States. \* Everyone\* who endorsed him will have a lot to answer for one day. Is that so? Tell me, what will I have to answer for, then? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2278 "2017-03-10T21:11:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Apparently. His US flag lapel pin was upside down this morning. > … Maybe it was a distress signal! ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2279 "2017-03-10T21:22:49Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Maybe it was a distress signal! Or a declaration of war. At least that’s what it means in some countries (probably not in Japan and Switzerland). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2280 "2017-03-10T21:23:37Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Is that so? Tell me, what will I have to answer for, then? Some or all of the following: [ul] [li]The destruction of our international relations and reputation.[/li][li]The emboldening of violent white supremacists.[/li][li]The destruction of our health care system (and all the deaths that follow).[/li][li]The destruction of our climate.[/li][li]Increased pollution of our air and water.[/li][li]A ruinous trade war.[/li][li]The weakening or even destruction of NATO and subsequent empowerment of Vladimir Putin.[/li][li]The loss of basic human rights, here and abroad.[/li][/ul]I’m sure we can think of lots of other things, but those are some that come to mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=115)