# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1149
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22965 "2018-07-17T00:34:27Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Joe Walsh: “It’s no longer about what Trump does. It’s about what WE do. This is the time to speak out. This is the time for choosing. America is in danger. Choose country over party. Choose country over policy.” > > Newt Gingrich: “President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.” > > Nate Silver: [indent]I think we need a scale for how much trouble Trump is in based on the most ordinarily pro-Trump Republican/conservative who criticizes him. > > e.g. something like this: > > 10.0 Hannity > 9.9 Pence > 9.2 Fox & Friends > 8.8 Tucker Carlson > 7.5 McConnell > 7.0 Laura Ingram > 6.8 Gingrich > 6.7 Coulter > 6.1 Joe Walsh > 5.5 DRUDGE > 5.0 Paul Ryan > 4.8 WSJ Edit Page > 4.4 Ben Shapiro > 3.6 Graham > 2.6 McCain > 1.4 Jeff Flake > 0.1 Bret Stephens > 0.0 Kasich > [/indent] > > [https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1018977546321440769](https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1018977546321440769) > > [https://twitter.com/absurdistwords/status/1018968615058624518](https://twitter.com/absurdistwords/status/1018968615058624518) How appropriate it is that this scale was posted by **Measure for Measure**. Oh, and what’s the big deal? I think it’s great that Trump finally got around to meeting the President of the United States of America. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22966 "2018-07-17T00:41:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Is it? How are we worse off now then we were last night? Because words matter. With Trump articulating his greater alliance with Putin and Russia than our traditional NATO allies, he drives a wedge further between them and us. Moreover, they become even less likely than they already were to share vital information with us that may protect our interests in the future. In this case, what Trump says _does_ make us worse off than we were last night. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22967 "2018-07-17T00:52:36Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Because words matter. > > With Trump articulating his greater alliance with Putin and Russia than our traditional NATO allies, he drives a wedge further between them and us. Moreover, they become even less likely than they already were to share vital information with us that may protect our interests in the future. > > In this case, what Trump says _does_ make us worse off than we were last night. Meh, I don’t think so. What proof do you have of this? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22968 "2018-07-17T00:59:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Meh, I don’t think so. What proof do you have of this? Meh, sometimes results aren’t immediate. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22969 "2018-07-17T01:04:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Meh, sometimes results aren’t immediate. Well, I’ll start worrying when I see some results of this. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22970 "2018-07-17T01:10:36Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, I’ll start worrying when I see some results of this. [That’s what makes you so adorable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t2EMBEWx-U). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22971 "2018-07-17T01:11:52Z")
“Eating a diet high in processed sugars, carbs and saturated fat is bad for your health.” “It’s just food. I’ll believe it when something bad happens.” “alrighty then” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22972 "2018-07-17T01:20:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You guys still pissing yourselves over stuff Trump says? What he says is meaningless. Why don’t you worry about things that are actually done? Things like tripping over his own feet in his haste to get his tongue up Putin’s ass? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22973 "2018-07-17T01:38:01Z")
Monday, July 16, 2018 will be remembered as a defining day in American history. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22974 "2018-07-17T01:41:03Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Eating a diet high in processed sugars, carbs and saturated fat is bad for your health.” > > “It’s just food. I’ll believe it when something bad happens.” > > “alrighty then” I swear I was just trying to find quotes from _Sleeper_ when you posted this. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22975 "2018-07-17T01:43:28Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Eating a diet high in processed sugars, carbs and saturated fat is bad for your health.” > > “It’s just food. I’ll believe it when something bad happens.” > > “alrighty then” This would only be equivalent if the Presidency didn’t last for only 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22976 "2018-07-17T01:48:01Z")
Why do you people keep talking to this guy?? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22977 "2018-07-17T01:51:30Z")
Someone please correct me if I have this wrong: -Kim Jong-Un and Vladimir Putin can be trusted -the US intelligence apparatus cannot be trusted -the European Union is our foe -tariffs are going to reduce economic expansion -the tax cut is reducing real wages by about 2% this year Why are the Republicans not leading the charge to impeach him? He is quite literally destroying them. Every time he opens his mouth he does damage to this country, its long-standing alliances, and its standing in the world. Pence would at least be predictable. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22978 "2018-07-17T01:57:22Z")
Remember that time that Fonzie tried to apologize and he just could not say it? Maybe Republicans have some of that going on. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22979 "2018-07-17T02:04:33Z")
[What the fuck is going on in Afghanistan? 😕](https://apnews.com/6bcb513db3454957b78b082d97aa408e/US-open-to-direct-talks-with-Taliban,-officials-say) > [@](#): > > The United States is open to holding direct talks with the Taliban to encourage negotiations between the militant group and the Afghan government to end 17 years of war, U.S. officials said Monday. > > That marks a tactical shift by the Trump administration, which has previously only appeared willing to participate in discussions with the Taliban if those talks also involve the Afghan government. The U.S. officials said that Afghan-to-Afghan negotiation remains the goal of any engagement with the militants. > [@](#): > > The Taliban have long refused direct talks with the Afghan government, demanding instead to negotiate with Washington. The militants have persisted in that stance despite Afghan President Ashraf Ghani’s unilateral extension of a holiday cease-fire last month in hopes of encouraging the militants to come to the bargaining table. With the Taliban continuing to mount deadly attacks, Ghani ordered government forces to resume military operations this month. > [@](#): > > The Taliban official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because he was authorized to speak to journalists, said, “We wait for them to officially inform us.” But he added that if the U.S. is interested in talks, it should take steps to get Taliban leaders off a sanctions blacklist and support the formal opening of the Taliban office in Qatar where its political representatives reside. The official reiterated the Taliban’s call for the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan. Is this administration about to cave in to some terrorist demands? Seriously? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22980 "2018-07-17T02:07:18Z")
> [@](#): > > …Why are the Republicans not leading the charge to impeach him?.. They can’t. Gonna be tough to win with Trump, impossible without him and his keening millions. They need a way to get rid of him without leaving fingerprints. Keep him campaigning but not for himself, directly. And any downticket Repubs saying “Impeach!” would be committing political _seppuku_. One way: Trump resigns, his delicate and sensitive nature. Common to geniuses, as so many of us know. Any way, he can’t take it and leaves it all to Pence. Pubbies run on what the terrible liberals did to the best President evah! ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22981 "2018-07-17T02:11:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > This would only be equivalent if the Presidency didn’t last for only 4 years. Only 4 years, he says. The American Civil War lasted 4 years. World War I lasted 4 years. US participation in World War II lasted 4 years. Only 4 years. Such a short time, nothing bad could happen in that period. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22982 "2018-07-17T02:19:13Z")
So I tried to watch a couple minutes of Hannity (the most I can ever take) to see how he was spinning this for the deplorables. Made it maybe 30 seconds. But I did notice something. He was wearing a really long tie. What a fucking tool. Oh, and he was talking about how Obama once said our elections could never be hacked. Case closed. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22983 "2018-07-17T02:23:10Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Only 4 years, he says. The American Civil War lasted 4 years. World War I lasted 4 years. US participation in World War II lasted 4 years. > > Only 4 years. Such a short time, nothing bad could happen in that period. Blah Blah. Let me know when something bad happens instead of just talk. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/22984 "2018-07-17T02:24:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Blah Blah. Let me know when something bad happens instead of just talk. Stupidity like this got Trump elected in the first place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1148) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1150)