# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1168
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23345 "2018-07-22T23:54:41Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > … What’s telling right now ( and I hope is an indicator) is that Rasmussen, which usually has Trump at 48-49% approval (its very conservative biased) shows him now at 44%. One thing the base will not abide is weakness. And despite all the attempts to spin Trump’s performance at Helsinki, the evidence of people’s eyes and ears was that Trump was meekly, deferentially, timidly submitting to Putin. The base doesn’t want to believe it. They are clinging to the spin-‘explanations’: \*\*\*‘oh, Trump was in large-and-in-charge during that private meeting–he just looked meek afterwards to make Putin feel better’ \*\*\* and \*\*\*‘Trump had to bow his head to Putin, because that’s the only way to avoid nuclear war!’ \*\*\* …being the chief inventions being pushed—but it’s rough on them. The evidence of their own eyes and ears is _bothering_ them. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23346 "2018-07-23T00:08:08Z")
I am seeing more and more comments thanking the Russians for helping Trump beat Hillary. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4740396/marylou-connecticut](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4740396/marylou-connecticut) They don’t see Trump’s relationship to Putin as weak, but a strong collaboration to beat Hillary and liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23347 "2018-07-23T00:57:35Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I am seeing more and more comments thanking the Russians for helping Trump beat Hillary. You must be reading that wrong. No other country has anything to teach the United States, and international cooperation is evil. Check again. Maybe someone screwed up a verb tense, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23348 "2018-07-23T01:48:22Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You must be reading that wrong. No other country has anything to teach the United States, and international cooperation is evil. IOKIARDI. They would partner with Satan himself if they thought it would disadvantage Hillary, Obama or piss off liberals. There is no other long term goal or agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23349 "2018-07-23T02:26:54Z")
I heard a great point regarding all of this. Trump knows how insane the media and the strong leftist crowd is. He has used Mueller as his own secret weapon. He stirs up trouble with Mueller and the media by simply meeting with Putin and now we have the left comparing Russian’s buying Facebook ads with Pearl Harbor. There is no reasoning with the left and the middle of the road people are now realizing it. So Trump’s support continues to go up. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23350 "2018-07-23T02:31:07Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I heard a great point regarding all of this. Trump knows how insane the media and the strong leftist crowd is. He has used Mueller as his own secret weapon. He stirs up trouble with Mueller and the media by simply meeting with Putin and now we have the left comparing Russian’s buying Facebook ads with Pearl Harbor. There is no reasoning with the left and the middle of the road people are now realizing it. So Trump’s support continues to go up. And yet his approval continues to drop… “Reality has a liberal bias.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23351 "2018-07-23T02:43:43Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I heard a great point regarding all of this. Trump knows how insane the media and the strong leftist crowd is. He has used Mueller as his own secret weapon. He stirs up trouble with Mueller and the media by simply meeting with Putin and now we have the left comparing Russian’s buying Facebook ads with Pearl Harbor. There is no reasoning with the left and the middle of the road people are now realizing it. So Trump’s support continues to go up. It’s not a great point, it’s a dumb argument you like. Your nazi-loving shitheap of a president is scared to death of the Mueller investigation, that’s why he’s always whining and crying about it. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23352 "2018-07-23T02:50:59Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I heard a great point regarding all of this. Trump knows how insane the media and the strong leftist crowd is. He has used Mueller as his own secret weapon. He stirs up trouble with Mueller and the media by simply meeting with Putin and now we have the left comparing Russian’s buying Facebook ads with Pearl Harbor. There is no reasoning with the left and the middle of the road people are now realizing it. So Trump’s support continues to go up. So if you heard this great point, surely you can provide the source? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23353 "2018-07-23T03:04:22Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > And yet his approval continues to drop… > > “Reality has a liberal bias.” Not necessarily true. > **[Trump's job approval is stable, but he's getting low marks on global trade...](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/trump-gets-low-marks-on-trade-immigration-and-russia-nbc-news-wsj-po.html)** > > Fewer than 4 in 10 American voters approve of President Trump’s handling of key issues such as trade, immigration and Russia, according to a new NBC News-Wall Street Journal. Trump’s approval rating is at 45%. It’s the lowest of any precedent in recent memory, but it’s still a hell of a lot stronger than it should be, and remember that this president won the election with less than 50% of the electorate. The brutal reality is that Americans are thicker than pig shit, and don’t understand how democracy really works, which is why they voted for Trump, and why they very likely won’t vote for a blue wave in November. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23354 "2018-07-23T03:11:09Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > So if you heard this great point, surely you can provide the source? I don’t think his bosses want him to say “from the directive issued by my bosses at GRU”. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23355 "2018-07-23T03:35:05Z")
A Russian guy I know. Unfortunately, from the eccentricly zany responses thus far, it appears it was a good point. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23356 "2018-07-23T03:49:20Z")
What I’m really goggling at is that they managed to plant a sleeper on this board back in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23357 "2018-07-23T03:49:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Not necessarily true. > > [https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/trump-gets-low-marks-on-trade-immigration-and-russia-nbc-news-wsj-po.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/trump-gets-low-marks-on-trade-immigration-and-russia-nbc-news-wsj-po.html) > > Trump’s approval rating is at 45%. > > It’s the lowest of any precedent in recent memory, but it’s still a hell of a lot stronger than it should be, and remember that this president won the election with less than 50% of the electorate. > > The brutal reality is that Americans are thicker than pig shit, and don’t understand how democracy really works, which is why they voted for Trump, and why they very likely won’t vote for a blue wave in November. Really in the low 40s > **[How Popular Is Donald Trump?](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo)** > > FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency. And it is likely that the votes will be there for, if not a big blue wave, a good blue tide. > **[Generic ballot Polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/)** > > The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23358 "2018-07-23T04:04:32Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > What I’m really goggling at is that they managed to plant a sleeper on this board back in 2014. Well, they did things like [set up twitter accounts for long closed papers](https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628085238/russian-influence-campaign-sought-to-exploit-americans-trust-in-local-news) back in 2014. So, signing up, laying low, then popping up when it’s convenient to spread some horseshit is pretty much part of their standard MO. That **Comrade Dundas** is willing to admit they get their info on American sentiment from some “Russian guy they know” means that whoever’s tapping that keyboard will be replaced soon. This one’s not sufficiently sensible or imaginative to cause a diversion. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23359 "2018-07-23T04:30:45Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > Russian’s buying Facebook ads Do you honestly believe this is what people are concerned about? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23360 "2018-07-23T04:35:48Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Lesse, > > He’s ahead of Ford, who never recovered from pardoning Nixon. > > He’s ahead of Truman, who was making huge mistakes in transitioning the war economy to peacetime. Truman would recover until he had to fire MacArthur. > > He’s Neck and neck with Carter, who was unable to deal with stagflation. > > He’s barely behind Reagan, who was in the depths of the Volcker induced recession at this period of his Presidency. > > His Green line consistently sits well below the all the Presidents through most of the comparable time. The only exception is Ford, who, again, had the Nixon pardon. > > What’s telling right now ( and I hope is an indicator) is that Rasmussen, which usually has Trump at 48-49% approval (its very conservative biased) shows him now at 44%. Are you looking at the DISapproval numbers? And the NET approval numbers? > **[How Popular Is Donald Trump?](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/)** > > FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23361 "2018-07-23T04:40:32Z")
Latest tweet from Trump. Seems to fit the OP title. [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021234525626609666](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021234525626609666) Tweet reads, and this is the actual font used—I’m not adding any emphasis: > [@](#): > > To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS! At least it wasn’t in Comic Sans… Or was asking me to forward this to the next five people. I had to check the URL a few times, to see if it was legit. Still, I’ve never seen a US President address another foreign leader in such a bellicose manner; albeit most Presidents that might’ve, lived before Twitter was a thing. Anyway, I thought you all would be amused. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23362 "2018-07-23T05:18:24Z")
Well, Pompeo did [say](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/22/politics/pompeo-iran-speech-intl/index.html) : > [@](#): > > The level of corruption and wealth among regime leaders shows that Iran is run by something that resembles the mafia more than a government which strikes me as mega-projection from someone in the Trump administration. So Don Donald is just responding the way any good \*capo \*should. It’s the [del]Chicago[/del]Moscow Way. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23363 "2018-07-23T05:33:51Z")
If all else fails, start a war. “See that chip, Little Turban man? Right there, on my shoulder, you got the guts. _Buk-buk-buddy-AWK_! What’s Arabic for ‘chicken’? Huh?..” “Persian, sir.” “So what, they’re mooslims! _Shit_ mooslims, right, little turban man? Our God can kick yer God’s ass!” “Actually, same God, sir…” “Bullshit, they got the Jewish one, we got the real one! You’re fired!” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23364 "2018-07-23T05:57:01Z")
> [@chip dundas](#): > > i heard a great point regarding all of this. Trump knows how insane the media and the strong leftist crowd is. He has used mueller as his own secret weapon. He stirs up trouble with mueller and the media by simply meeting with putin and now we have the left comparing russian’s buying facebook ads with pearl harbor. There is no reasoning with the left and the middle of the road people are now realizing it. So trump’s support continues to go up. Сколько рублей в час они платят вам, чтобы написать эту ерунду? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1167) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1169)