# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2321 "2017-03-11T17:22:02Z")

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[An intruder breached the White House grounds last night.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/man-breeches-white-house/index.html)

1. It is disgusting that someone would try to attack the President of the United States like that.

2. Too bad they stopped him before he could get to the Traitor-in-Chief. Although that would be a _bad_ thing, let’s be clear. But still.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2322 "2017-03-11T17:25:26Z")

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> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> [An intruder breached the White House grounds last night.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/man-breeches-white-house/index.html)
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> 1. It is disgusting that someone would try to attack the President of the United States like that.
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> 2. Too bad they stopped him before he could get to the Traitor-in-Chief. Although that would be a _bad_ thing, let’s be clear. But still.

Best part of story:

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> The White House was placed under security condition “orange,” one of the highest levels of security for the Secret Service.

I think the entire country should be placed on security condition orange at this point.

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**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2323 "2017-03-11T17:28:21Z")

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> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> I think the entire country should be placed on security condition orange at this point.

America is on **stupidity** condition orange.

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**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2324 "2017-03-11T17:30:57Z")

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> 1. Too bad they stopped him before he could get to the Traitor-in-Chief. Although that would be a bad thing, let’s be clear. But still.

I don’t know anything more unpatriotic and disgraceful than wishing harm on the President of your country. Your concession that it would be a “bad thing” is undercut by your saying it’s too bad they stopped him and “but still.”

And you’re calling him a traitor. How did he betray our country, exactly?

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2325 "2017-03-11T17:31:37Z")

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> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> [An intruder breached the White House grounds last night.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/man-breeches-white-house/index.html)
> 
> 1. It is disgusting that someone would try to attack the President of the United States like that.
> 
> 2. Too bad they stopped him before he could get to the Traitor-in-Chief. Although that would be a _bad_ thing, let’s be clear. But still.

Best line from the article.

> [@](#):
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> The White House was placed under security condition “orange,” one of the highest levels of security for the Secret Service.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2326 "2017-03-11T17:35:03Z")

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Looks like Conway’s “accidental” endorsement [worked.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/03/10/go-buy-ivankas-stuff-kellyanne-conway-said-then-the-first-daughters-fashion-sales-exploded/)

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> Ivanka Trump’s products weren’t always the hottest items online.
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> In January, for instance, the first daughter’s fashion line ranked No. 550 based on the number of orders from Lyst, the biggest fashion e-commerce website in the world, according to Forbes.
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> That changed dramatically the following month.
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> Sales of Trump’s products skyrocketed in early February, making her Lyst’s 11th most popular brand. The biggest spike, according to Lyst, came on Feb. 9, when sales jumped by 219 percent from the day before.
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> Yes, Feb. 9 — the same day that White House counselor Kellyanne Conway promoted Trump’s clothing and jewelry line on “Fox & Friends.”
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> “Go buy Ivanka’s stuff is what I would tell you,” Conway said. “I’m going to give a free commercial here. Go buy it today, everybody.”
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> But the brand was “largely featured” in the news in February, Tanner said. Conway gave her on-air endorsement of Ivanka Trump’s brand after President Trump had complained on Twitter that his daughter had “been treated so unfairly” by the department store Nordstrom, which dropped her clothing line over slow sales.
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> The excitement of the brand, however, may be slumping. The company’s numbers show sales were gradually tapering off toward the end of February. March does not appear to be as remarkable, but sales are still on track to be about 8 percent better than they were in January, according to Lyst.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2327 "2017-03-11T17:36:09Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> I don’t know anything more unpatriotic and disgraceful than wishing harm on the President of your country. Your concession that it would be a “bad thing” is undercut by your saying it’s too bad they stopped him and “but still.”

You’ll appreciate this: My gut tells me the guy was a Trump fanboy who just wanted to give Agent Orange a bro hug.

> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> And you’re calling him a traitor. How did he betray our country, exactly?

I agree. We ought not rush to judgement. Yet.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2328 "2017-03-11T17:38:12Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> best line from the article.

ikr! 😉

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**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2329 "2017-03-11T17:42:30Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Looks like Conway’s “accidental” endorsement [worked.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/03/10/go-buy-ivankas-stuff-kellyanne-conway-said-then-the-first-daughters-fashion-sales-exploded/)

I’m happy that Ivanka’s sales are skyrocketing, although I admit that Conway’s endorsement was wildly inappropriate.

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**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2330 "2017-03-11T17:52:39Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> I don’t know anything more unpatriotic and disgraceful than wishing harm on the President of your country. Your concession that it would be a “bad thing” is undercut by your saying it’s too bad they stopped him and “but still.”
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> And you’re calling him a traitor. How did he betray our country, exactly?

[Donald Trump Says ‘Second Amendment People’ Can Stop Hillary Clinton From Curbing Gun Rights](https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-second-amendment-people-can-stop-hillary-clinton-from-curbing-gun-rights-1470773378)

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2331 "2017-03-11T17:57:17Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> I’m happy that Ivanka’s sales are skyrocketing, although I admit that Conway’s endorsement was wildly inappropriate.

If you actually read the article, you would see sales are dropping back to near previous levels.

The endorsement was beyond inappropriate. This is the very heart of the whole conflict of interest problem.

She is profiting from the direct influence of the Office of The President of the United States.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2332 "2017-03-11T18:58:19Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> I started a while ago

So you recognize the incredible dishonesty of your plagiarism? Why not apologize for it, if you recognize that you did something wrong? Maybe you could demonstrate a level of maturity that has eluded the President.

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**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2333 "2017-03-11T19:51:50Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> So you recognize the incredible dishonesty of your plagiarism? **Why not apologize for it** , if you recognize that you did something wrong? Maybe you could demonstrate a level of maturity that has eluded the President.

Because he, like tRump and his idiot fans, is a gutless coward. They have no shame.  
Worse, they have no _ **honor** _.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2334 "2017-03-11T19:56:52Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> I’m happy that Ivanka’s sales are skyrocketing, although I admit that Conway’s endorsement was wildly inappropriate.

Why are you happy about that?

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**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2335 "2017-03-11T20:12:32Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> And you’re calling him a traitor. How did he betray our country, exactly?

Appointing a known foreign agent (known to Trump, anyhow) as the National Security Advisor?

If Obama had done that, I figger we might have heard something out of Dick Cheney, don’t you? Probably not complimentary?

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**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2336 "2017-03-11T20:16:10Z")

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> [@1iLeft](#):
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> [Donald Trump Says ‘Second Amendment People’ Can Stop Hillary Clinton From Curbing Gun Rights](https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-second-amendment-people-can-stop-hillary-clinton-from-curbing-gun-rights-1470773378)

Trump was clearly calling for conservative, pro-Second Amendment voters to turn out to the polls in droves to elect him President, given Hillary’s distinctly anti-gun record. She believed _District of Columbia v. Heller_, one of the most important pro-2nd Amendment Supreme Court decisions of this century, was wrongly decided. It’s ridiculous to say he was inciting people to murder Mrs. Clinton.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2337 "2017-03-11T20:18:59Z")

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“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

If your position is that he doesn’t really mean what he says, why do YOU believe him?

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**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2338 "2017-03-11T20:26:34Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
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> If your position is that he doesn’t really mean what he says, why do YOU believe him?

He meant what he said; he wanted them to take their souls to the polls and prevent Hitlery from gaining the Oval Office.

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2339 "2017-03-11T20:32:27Z")

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> [@ckalli1998](#):
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> He meant what he said; he wanted them to take their souls to the polls and prevent Hitlery from gaining the Oval Office.

The remark about second amendment people was if she is allowed to pick her judges - which would be after she is elected. So 2nd amendment people would be able to " do something" after she is elected… How exactly? Time machine?

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**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2340 "2017-03-11T20:33:28Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
> 
> If your position is that he doesn’t really mean what he says, why do YOU believe him?

Pshaw. Locker-room talk. Unless he was joking.

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