# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2341 "2017-03-11T20:33:55Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > The remark about second amendment people was if she is allowed to pick her judges - which would be after she is elected. So 2nd amendment people would be able to " do something" after she is elected… How exactly? Time machine? No, by voting, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Look, we’ll just agree to disagree ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2342 "2017-03-11T20:35:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He meant what he said; he wanted them to take their souls to the polls and prevent Hitlery from gaining the Oval Office. That’s not what that quote says, or anything like it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2343 "2017-03-11T20:36:20Z")
You need the Second Amendment to _vote_? Give it up, dude. He was advocating violent insurrection, including the murder of Clinton and her appointed judges. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2344 "2017-03-11T20:36:26Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No, by voting, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Look, we’ll just agree to disagree That’s not “disagreement,” that’s pointing out that what he said was not what you claimed he said. And this is a Trump tactic: claiming that what was said was not what was said. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2345 "2017-03-11T20:37:04Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No, by voting, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Look, we’ll just agree to disagree Trump was clearly referring to Clinton being elected. As that would be what allows her to appoint judges. That’s _after_ voting. I’m appalled that an honor student doesn’t know the difference between _before_ and _after._ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2346 "2017-03-11T20:37:32Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > That’s not “disagreement,” that’s pointing out that what he said was not what you claimed he said. He \*knows \*what Trump \*really \*meant. He’s an honor student, remember? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2347 "2017-03-11T20:42:25Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No, by voting, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Look, we’ll just agree to disagree So you believe that he meant for people to go out and vote AFTER she had already been elected - and is thus "picking her judges "? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2348 "2017-03-11T20:45:00Z")
Enough is enough. There was no way Trump was advocated the murder of his political opponent; he was not. He was using bluster, it’s classic Trump style. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2349 "2017-03-11T20:49:15Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Enough is enough. There was no way Trump was advocated the murder of his political opponent; he was not. He was using bluster, it’s classic Trump style. I think he was joking, honestly. I do. I think that political assassination is not a good thing to joke about, especially a political candidate joking about killing a political rival, but i cannot see how the alternative position of " it’s about souls to the polls. You know, voting after she has already won. But only those voters who happen to be armed. It’s obvious!" makes any sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2350 "2017-03-11T20:52:37Z")
Tell us what \*you \*think the Second Amendment is about. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2351 "2017-03-11T21:15:30Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It’s ridiculous to say he was inciting people to murder Mrs. Clinton. [Watch some of the reactions of the people in the crowd behind him](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290892-trump-says-second-amendment-folks-could-stop-clinton), they knew what he meant instantly. But its taken you this long to… ah… well, not figure it out, or at best, choose to remain in denial. Because Trump is to patriotic and wouldn’t do anything disgraceful like wish harm on the President of his country. Also, “A spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service said it was aware of the comments.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2352 "2017-03-11T21:21:15Z")
> [@1iLeft](#): > > [Watch some of the reactions of the people in the crowd behind him](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290892-trump-says-second-amendment-folks-could-stop-clinton), they knew what he meant instantly. But its taken you this long to… ah… well, not figure it out, or at best, choose to remain in denial. **Because Trump is to patriotic and wouldn’t do anything disgraceful like wish harm on the President of his country.** > > Also, “A spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service said it was aware of the comments.” Or lock up a political opponent without a trial. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2353 "2017-03-11T21:22:50Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Enough is enough. There was no way Trump was advocated the murder of his political opponent; he was not. He was using bluster, it’s classic Trump style. I agree it’s classic Trump style, and it’s why he’s so vile. He implied that gun-rights advocates might take matters into their own hands by assassinating Clinton. While he did not say he advocated it, he expressed no disapproval of that course. He suggested a despicable act, with just enough vagueness so that naive and gullible little warts like you can try to dismiss it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2354 "2017-03-11T21:33:57Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I agree it’s classic Trump style, and it’s why he’s so vile. He implied that gun-rights advocates might take matters into their own hands by assassinating Clinton. While he did not say he advocated it, he expressed no disapproval of that course. He suggested a despicable act, with just enough vagueness so that naive and gullible little warts like you can try to dismiss it. The fact that he can suggest things like this with no moral reservations about what he says is a pretty clear symptom of his sociopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2355 "2017-03-11T21:58:38Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Enough is enough. I agree. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. While there is a certain amount of entertainment seeing you twist yourself in knots trying to explain what Trump “really meant,” you really should try to think for yourself a bit more before regurgitating what you’ve heard (and plagiarized) from elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2356 "2017-03-11T22:17:57Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I don’t know anything more unpatriotic and disgraceful than wishing harm on the President of your country. I was thinking to myself ‘_Oh, OK, that’s a reasonable position…_’ and then saw you basically reversed yourself 15 minutes later when it was Trump doing it. Disgusting. Grow yourself some moral backbone. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2357 "2017-03-11T22:20:11Z")
If the “man” had a moral backbone, he wouldn’t have voted for a sexual-assaulting, pro-choice atheist, one married to not one, but two Communists, and currently enthralled (and indebted to) a former KGB colonel. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2358 "2017-03-11T22:42:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > If the “man” had a moral backbone, he wouldn’t have voted for a sexual-assaulting, pro-choice atheist, one married to not one, but two Communists, and currently enthralled (and indebted to) a former KGB colonel. Melania Trump is not a Communist, Donald’s Trump is not a pro-life atheist, but a pro-Loren Presbyterian, he’s not indebted to Putin as his government’s schemes had no effect on the election outcome (Trump would have won regardless), and his former wives were not Communists either. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2359 "2017-03-11T22:46:06Z")
Dnftt ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2360 "2017-03-11T22:47:17Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > he’s not indebted to Putin as his government’s schemes had no effect on the election outcome (Trump would have won regardless), This is something you certainly do not know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=119)