# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1180
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23585 "2018-07-29T17:57:37Z")
I have additions > [@CurtC](#): > > The progression of claims by the Trumpsters has been like this: > > “We never had meetings with any Russians.” > > “We may have met with Russians, but we didn’t talk about working together on the campaign.” > > “We may have talked about campaign stuff, but they didn’t have anything to provide us.” > > “There was no collusion.” > > “Collusion is not illegal.” > > “Thank you Vladimir Putin for helping us elect Trump.” The Russians are interfering in our elections to help Democrats! Our elections are suspect. We cannot accept the results of the mid-term elections. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23586 "2018-07-29T19:48:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not really; the President in that movie was merely stupid, not malevolent _and_ stupid. We’d be better off with him than what we’ve got. And the President in the movie realized that he wasn’t smart enough to solve all the problems. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23587 "2018-07-29T20:37:22Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > And the President in the movie realized that he wasn’t smart enough to solve all the problems. If President Camacho actually _wanted to_ solve real problems, that would be one more distinction between him and the CFSG. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23588 "2018-07-29T20:43:38Z")
He _did_. Camacho understood the country had an agricultural crisis, identified the person best suited to tackle the problem and put him in charge of it, and covered his six. That’s just good leadership. He didn’t just blame and divert and bluster, like at least one other President. Yes, Camacho seriously \*would \*be better than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23589 "2018-07-29T20:49:04Z")
I realize that there have been false alarms almost daily about the beginning of the end for Trump, but this might really be it: > **[Koch network takes aim at 'protectionism,' slams Trump administration as...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/koch-network-takes-aim-protectionism-slams-trump-administration/story?id=56894721)** > > "The divisiveness of this White House is causing long-term damage," a spokesman for the Koch network told reporters at a biannual donor meeting this weekend in Colorado. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23590 "2018-07-29T22:11:12Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I realize that there have been false alarms almost daily about the beginning of the end for Trump, but this might really be it: > > [Koch network takes aim at 'protectionism,' slams Trump administration as 'divisive' - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/koch-network-takes-aim-protectionism-slams-trump-administration/story?id=56894721) My hope all along has been that the major donors would come to believe that PantsOnHead would wreck their own bottom lines with his nutty hi-jinks----and that the moment they came to that realization, they’d get on the line to the Congresspeople they bought and paid for, and tell them “get rid of him.” Then, and only then, would Congress move. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23591 "2018-07-29T22:46:24Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Shoulda crossed my mind way sooner than now that probably the only person that преЦАРдент Trump has ever been loyal to (defintely none of his wives) in all his wretched, 72 boil-filled years is that beady-eyed former KGB’er whom I would really like to line up in a game of shinny (hockey) and just fucking plow (on the numbers) the murderous, insecure tyrant four feet, airborne, into the boards so that his face smashes up against the plexiglass, sorta like [Chris Pronger taking out Justin Beiber.](https://www.google.com/search?q=pronger+on+bieber&client=firefox-b&biw=946&bih=792&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHnabeysPcAhWEGDQIHbzZCs8Q_AUIDCgD)\* > I spose there was Pops, who gave little shithead Donny a whole lotta moolah to get the ball rollin. No surprises, though, if it’s a matter of Fred being regarded as “aaaa he’s dead now, gone’s that income stream.” > > \*If you can’t appreciate - no, gloat over - the look of satisfaction on Chris’s face, you honestly have no fucking pulse. Thought that looked like Staples Center. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23592 "2018-07-30T17:16:40Z")
Part 3 by Some New Guy on American fascism for those interested. Sadly those who should watch it and think about it, won’t but whatever. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/GM1w8_dOcR8/maxresdefault.jpg "If You Don't Want To Be Called A Fascist, Stop Supporting Donald Trump, A Fascist - SOME MORE NEWS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1w8_dOcR8) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23593 "2018-07-30T18:22:40Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I have additions > > The Russians are interfering in our elections to help Democrats! > > Our elections are suspect. > > We cannot accept the results of the mid-term elections. I hope I’m just being paranoid, but lately I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-Trump and/or pro-Democrat posts in comment sections (e.g. WaPo’s) that look suspiciously bottish. No way to know the source, of course, but they have the slightly stilted, not-quite-right grammar and random capitalizations that suggest non-native English speakers. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23594 "2018-07-30T18:40:11Z")
Here’s an [example](http://oi64.tinypic.com/1zc1nrb.jpg) of what I mean… two comments for the same WaPo article about Trump calling the press the “enemy of the people,” ostensibly by two different users, but they look awfully similar. I’ve been seeing this shit everywhere recently. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23595 "2018-07-30T18:41:37Z")
Well, if the Russian propaganda bots are now out to help Democrats, the good news is that we have fine Republican patriots in congress that won’t stand for that kind of meddling! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23596 "2018-07-30T19:15:47Z")
[‘The world is laughing at us’ says Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42968940/the-world-is-laughing-at-us-says-trump). Yeah, because of the iDJiT in charge, not [immigration](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-no-problem-shutting-down-government-over-immigration-n895851). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23597 "2018-07-30T19:31:43Z")
Russia’s Foreign Minister says Russia knows what Western countries are planning to do, militarily, before they do it. “Rest assured, we will be provided with information about the schemes harbored by the militaries of both the U.S. and other Western countries against the Russian Federation,” > **[Russia Says It Knows What U.S. Military Is Planning](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-it-will-know-us-military-plans-they-happen-1048779)** > > Russia's top diplomat said Moscow "will be provided with information about the schemes harbored by the militaries of both the U.S. and other Western countries." ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23598 "2018-07-30T19:37:32Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [‘The world is laughing at us’ says Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42968940/the-world-is-laughing-at-us-says-trump). Yeah, because of the iDJiT in charge, not [immigration](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-no-problem-shutting-down-government-over-immigration-n895851). 35% of the United states is totally convinced the world really is laughing at the USA over its allegedly lax immigration policies. Trump says this stuff for Trumpists, not for you. The fact that the GOP traitors are starting to hint they colluded but that it’s okay is absolutely to be expected, because soon all the Trumpists will believe it’s okay to collude with a foreign government to subvert U.S. democracy. It sounds stupid, but it works on Trumpists. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23599 "2018-07-30T20:20:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Here’s an [example](http://oi64.tinypic.com/1zc1nrb.jpg) of what I mean… two comments for the same WaPo article about Trump calling the press the “enemy of the people,” ostensibly by two different users, but they look awfully similar. I’ve been seeing this shit everywhere recently. I apologize to anyone who gets a shitty ad-filled page when clicking on that link. I tried to direct link to the image, which worked on my desktop computer, but (as I just now noticed) did not work on my phone, because TinyPic fucking sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23600 "2018-07-30T21:45:13Z")
Steve Mnuchin says the Trump administration is considering an additional $100 billion tax cut for the wealthy without legislation from Congress: > [@](#): > > “If it can’t get done through a legislation process, we will look at what tools at Treasury we have to do it on our own and we’ll consider that,” Mnuchin said. “We are studying that internally, and we are also studying the economic costs and the impact on growth.” [http://thehill.com/policy/finance/399582-trump-weighs-big-tax-cut-for-rich-report](http://thehill.com/policy/finance/399582-trump-weighs-big-tax-cut-for-rich-report) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23601 "2018-07-30T22:13:03Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > The progression of claims by the Trumpsters has been like this: > > “We never had meetings with any Russians.” > > “We may have met with Russians, but we didn’t talk about working together on the campaign.” > > “We may have talked about campaign stuff, but they didn’t have anything to provide us.” > > “There was no collusion.” > > “Collusion is not illegal.” > > “Thank you Vladimir Putin for helping us elect Trump.” It keeps shifting. What’s next? “Yes we committed treason but so what”? Traitor Issa and Traitor Rorbacher are sort of saying that NOW. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23602 "2018-07-30T22:17:37Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [‘The world is laughing at us’ says Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42968940/the-world-is-laughing-at-us-says-trump). Yeah, because of the iDJiT in charge, not [immigration](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-no-problem-shutting-down-government-over-immigration-n895851). They aren’t laughing, they are appalled. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23603 "2018-07-30T22:32:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Steve Mnuchin says the Trump administration is considering an additional $100 billion tax cut for the wealthy without legislation from Congress: > > [http://thehill.com/policy/finance/399582-trump-weighs-big-tax-cut-for-rich-report](http://thehill.com/policy/finance/399582-trump-weighs-big-tax-cut-for-rich-report) > [@](#): > > At issue is a priority of conservatives to reduce the amount that people pay in capital gains taxes by **indexing capital gains to inflation**. Republicans see this action as a way to build off the tax-cut law that Trump signed last year, and say it would boost the economy by increasing incentives for taxpayers to\*\* make new investments\*\*. Speaking as someone who would benefit from this - What a stupid idea. First and foremost - shifting the tax burden away from the wealthy sucks. Second, and one of my hobby horses - buying stock in existing companies is only very vaguely “investing”. It puts no money into the company, and at most gives the company an idea of what they could issue actual new shares for. And I guess the liquidity makes it more likely that some will buy new shares since they can be confident that they can sell them later. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23604 "2018-07-30T22:41:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Skywatcher](#): > > > > [‘The world is laughing at us’ says Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42968940/the-world-is-laughing-at-us-says-trump). Yeah, because of the iDJiT in charge, not [immigration](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-no-problem-shutting-down-government-over-immigration-n895851). > > They aren’t laughing, they are appalled. Well, they can be appalled and laughing at the same time. It reminds me of the Lewinsky affair, when the Republicans claimed that all Europe was scandalized. Which they were — by the Pubs’ moralistic dudgeon rather than by an incident that would be shrugged off in most of the rest of the world. (Europeans seem to recognize that for [some] men power is an aphrodisiac, and [some] women are attracted to it. It can perhaps be encapsulated by [this photo](https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/mitterands-funeral/), which shows François Mitterand’s wife and mistress together at his funeral.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1181)