# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1186
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23705 "2018-08-02T19:58:39Z")
Donny Junior: “You see the Nazi platform from the early 1930s . . . and you look at it, compared to the DNC platform of today, you’re saying, ‘Man, those things are awfully similar’ to a point where it’s actually scary. It’s the exact opposite of what you’ve been told.” > **[Donald Trump Jr. co-hosts Dinesh D’Souza’s very conservative D.C. film premiere](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/08/02/donald-trump-jr-co-hosts-dinesh-dsouzas-very-conservative-d-c-film-premiere/?utm_term=.e667ae100adf)** > > The film's poster, which features Lincoln and Trump's faces merged together, embodies what D'Souza has become known for: provocative stunts intended to get a rise out of critics. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23706 "2018-08-02T20:03:29Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Sarah Huckster Sanders: “[The media has attacked me personally on a number of occasions.](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sarah-huckabee-sanders-enemy-of-the-people_us_5b63475be4b0b15abaa0f33f)” Here’s an idea: **stop covering up for your boss!** She was specifically asked several times to say that the press is not the enemy of the people. She refused. It is now the official US policy that the press is the enemy of the people. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23707 "2018-08-02T20:15:37Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > She was specifically asked several times to say that the press is not the enemy of the people. She refused. It is now the official US policy that the press is the enemy of the people. Jim Acosta actually got up and walked out. They all should have. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23708 "2018-08-02T20:27:42Z")
Sarah the Huckster lied about the press reporting on classified information yesterday. [https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/sara-sanders-journalists-leak-osama-bin-laden/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/sara-sanders-journalists-leak-osama-bin-laden/index.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23709 "2018-08-02T20:38:04Z")
Decorated Army medic discharged and threatened with deportation since it was revealed that her student visa, which she thought was valid, was obtained through fraud not of her own doing. > **[Decorated soldier discharged from Army over immigration status](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400116-decorated-soldier-honorably-discharged-from-army-over-immigration/)** > > A decorated solider was discharged from the Army last month because of her immigration status, reportedly leaving her vulnerable for deportation.Army Spec. Yea Ji Sea, a medic at the Broo… ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23710 "2018-08-02T22:36:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Decorated Army medic discharged and threatened with deportation since it was revealed that her student visa, which she thought was valid, was obtained through fraud not of her own doing. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400116-decorated-soldier-honorably-discharged-from-army-over-immigration](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400116-decorated-soldier-honorably-discharged-from-army-over-immigration) Cool first comment I saw in the comments section: > [@](#): > > **Melvin** - "Keep the decorated war veteran. > > Deport the undecorated draft dodger in the White House." ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23711 "2018-08-02T23:16:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Donny Junior: “You see the Nazi platform from the early 1930s . . . and you look at it, compared to the DNC platform of today, you’re saying, ‘Man, those things are awfully similar’ to a point where it’s actually scary. It’s the exact opposite of what you’ve been told.” > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/08/02/donald-trump-jr-co-hosts-dinesh-dsouzas-very-conservative-d-c-film-premiere/?utm\_term=.e667ae100adf](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/08/02/donald-trump-jr-co-hosts-dinesh-dsouzas-very-conservative-d-c-film-premiere/?utm_term=.e667ae100adf) As is often the case, the Trumpites are employing doublethink plus projection: using the actual historical Nazi “Big Lie” technique as “proof” that they themselves are not using a Big Lie to smear their opposition. Search ‘big lie’ on Google and your second, third, and fourth hits will be Trumpite claims that _they’re_ not the ones employing a Big Lie (heavens, the very thought!): > [@](#): > > The Big Lie - Regnery Publishing > [https://www.regnery.com/books/the-big-lie/](https://www.regnery.com/books/the-big-lie/) > What is “the big lie” of the Democratic Party? That conservatives—and President Donald Trump in particular—are fascists. Nazis, even. In a typical comment, … > The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left: Dinesh D … > [https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486](https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486) > The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left and millions of other books are available for Amazon Kindle. … Ships from and sold by [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com). … The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left Hardcover – July 31, 2017. > The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left - Kindle … > [https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American-ebook/.../B01N39W2DI](https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American-ebook/.../B01N39W2DI) > Editorial Reviews. About the Author. Dinesh D’Souza is the president of the King’s College in New York City and author of the New York Times bestseller The … Convoluted, but that’s the way they like it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23712 "2018-08-02T23:24:37Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hey, [here is a new way to deflect attention on the Russian connection](https://nypost.com/2018/08/01/tsa-may-stop-screening-passengers-at-150-airports/)! Let’s stop screening people at airports. Granted, a lot of it is “security theater”; however, that does not mean that this is a good idea. Plus–and this is starting to turn into a mantra–can you imagine the outcry if President Obama’s administration had floated the idea? How will this improve national security? Smart terrorists will just attack from smaller airports. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23713 "2018-08-03T00:40:38Z")
Today, the entire national security cabinet (Homeland Security, DNI, Bolton, etc) stood before the media and stated unequivocally that Russia is attempting to interfere with the 2018 election, but that they’re on the case. I wonder: did we just witness a mini-coup? How much of this was on their own and in defiance of their boss? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23714 "2018-08-03T00:46:21Z")
This will end up in multiple threads, because I want to be sure that no one misses it. [Trump wants the ACLU to do the government’s job and fix the child separation issue, because the Trump administration can’t figure out how the government could do it](https://apnews.com/06cbb79a77ba4b07964a801c108cef84/US-wants-ACLU-to-take-lead-on-reuniting-separated-families). > [@](#): > > The Trump administration and the American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday revealed widely divergent plans on how to reunite hundreds of immigrant children with parents who have been deported since the families were separated at the U.S.-Mexico border. > > President Donald Trump’s administration puts the onus on the ACLU, asking that the organization use its “considerable resources” to find parents in their home countries, predominantly Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. The U.S. Justice Department said in a court filing that the State Department has begun talks with foreign governments on how the administration may be able to aid the effort. I’m sure the vast resources of the ACLU dwarf the capabilities of the United States federal government. :rolleyes: The ACLU said. effectively, “Fuck off; we’re happy to help these families but this is _your_ mess.” > [@](#): > > The ACLU, which sued on behalf of separated parents, called for the government to take “significant and prompt steps” to find the parents on its own. > > “Plaintiffs have made clear that they will do whatever they can to help locate the deported parents, but emphasize that the government must bear the ultimate burden of finding the parents,” the ACLU said in a filing. “Not only was it the government’s unconstitutional separation practices that led to the crisis, but the United States government has far more resources.” > [@](#): > > The ACLU said it takes “a degree of detective work” to track down contact information for deported parents, some of whom may be hiding from persecutors. > > The group said the government provided home-country addresses in U.S. immigration databases with no useful information for about 120 parents. Other addresses had limited use — for example, some had “calle sin nombre” (“street without a name”) or six addresses connected to one Honduran child, all in the Mexican city of San Luis Potosi. What kind of numbers are we talking about? Good question; here’s the answer: > [@](#): > > As of July 26, 431 children whose parents were outside the country were in the custody of the U.S. Health and Human Services Department. Helluva supply of _chutzpah_, eh? To create a problem and then draw a plan for others to fix it? Sounds like something only the nuclear energy industry or the military or petro/chemical companies or drycleaners or the paper industry or… hmmm, I guess there is precedent in America for that after all. Still: I don’t like it. The Trump administration should fix their own messes as long as they are still in control. Messing things up, letting Democrats fix them and then bitching about the fix is a GOP staple for the past 30 years and I think it’s time to end that game. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23715 "2018-08-03T00:48:15Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Today, the entire national security cabinet (Homeland Security, DNI, Bolton, etc) stood before the media and stated unequivocally that Russia is attempting to interfere with the 2018 election, but that they’re on the case. > > I wonder: did we just witness a mini-coup? How much of this was on their own and in defiance of their boss? It’s their prelude toward getting out front of a blue tide in November. If the Democrats really do win big, they can claim that Russia interfered to make them win and throw complete doubt on the 2018 election. It’s typical Republican projection combined with The Big Lie. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23716 "2018-08-03T02:43:41Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s their prelude toward getting out front of a blue tide in November. If the Democrats really do win big, they can claim that Russia interfered to make them win and throw complete doubt on the 2018 election. It’s typical Republican projection combined with The Big Lie. I think the reality is much less nefarious. IMHO: at the cabinet level – despite their many, grievous, flaws – they’re genuinely appalled at the idea of Russian meddling; and politically, they know they’re getting killed by the Administration’s inept response to the attack. So they took it upon themselves to do what their boss is unable and/or unwilling to do: make a strong statement on the problem and the response (and pretend that Trump is right there with them.) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23717 "2018-08-03T03:23:07Z")
Fucking senate yesterday [failed](https://youtu.be/vNPwxhSWr6U?t=296) to grant a mere $250 million into election cyber security, despite last November ok’ing a $700 billion defense authorization. Just great, especially when a cyber threat is more of a relevant, likely threat to the US than an actual conventional military threat. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23718 "2018-08-03T03:47:30Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I think the reality is much less nefarious. IMHO: at the cabinet level – despite their many, grievous, flaws – they’re genuinely appalled at the idea of Russian meddling; and politically, they know they’re getting killed by the Administration’s inept response to the attack. So they took it upon themselves to do what their boss is unable and/or unwilling to do: make a strong statement on the problem and the response (and pretend that Trump is right there with them.) Well, they are definitely pretending as Trump tonight at his rally declared once again that the Russia thing is a hoax. And if there should be a blue wave, Trump won’t hesitate to use their statements to say Russia _did_ interfere to help the Democrats. And who believes that any Republican will stand up and say “no, my esteemed Democrat opponent beat me fair and square.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23719 "2018-08-03T04:01:35Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > And who believes that any Republican will stand up and say “no, my esteemed Democrat opponent beat me fair and square.” I certainly don’t. At this point, I’d have to do a visual check for honesty if a Republican deigned to tell me the color of the sky was blue. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23720 "2018-08-03T04:59:03Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Well, they are definitely pretending as Trump tonight at his rally declared once again that the Russia thing is a hoax. > > And if there should be a blue wave, Trump won’t hesitate to use their statements to say Russia _did_ interfere to help the Democrats. And who believes that any Republican will stand up and say “no, my esteemed Democrat opponent beat me fair and square.” > [@jayjay](#): > > I certainly don’t. At this point, I’d have to do a visual check for honesty if a Republican deigned to tell me the color of the sky was blue. They’ll crow about it loudly and challenge the Democrats about it, of course. If the situation was reversed, tho, the Democrats would do nothing, not even shout about it. Frankly, that’s a winning situation for the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23721 "2018-08-03T04:59:57Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Fucking senate yesterday [failed](https://youtu.be/vNPwxhSWr6U?t=296) to grant a mere $250 million into election cyber security, despite last November ok’ing a $700 billion defense authorization. > > Just great, especially when a cyber threat is more of a relevant, likely threat to the US than an actual conventional military threat. It’s win-win, dude. It lets Russia interfere in favour of Trump ; and if that’s not enough to secure a continued stranglehold on Congress they can turn around and assert the Democrats won by tampering the vote. Hell, maybe even setup some bullshit investigations to gum up the works and slow things down to a crawl ; or lock up the works completely by refusing to allow any law to pass because “They stole the election ! They’re not allowed to legislate !” Just further eroding the democratic process, brick by brick and institution by institution. I have no idea how you guys are going to bounce back from three more years of this type of crap. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23722 "2018-08-03T05:47:18Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It’s win-win, dude. > > It lets Russia interfere in favour of Trump ; and if that’s not enough to secure a continued stranglehold on Congress they can turn around and assert the Democrats won by tampering the vote. Hell, maybe even setup some bullshit investigations to gum up the works and slow things down to a crawl ; or lock up the works completely by refusing to allow any law to pass because “They stole the election ! They’re not allowed to legislate !” > Just further eroding the democratic process, brick by brick and institution by institution. I have no idea how you guys are going to bounce back from three more years of this type of crap. Yeah I’m well aware that’s their endgame; hopefully it won’t turn out like Zimbabwe has been lately, which, sure, is a hyperbolic comparison, but [Sessions and other Reps have been trying to foist this off](https://www.myajc.com/news/house-gop-refuses-renew-election-security-funding-democrats-fume-over-russian-meddling/TTQoBw8gzfl0hMlWkvHCUK/) by saying that the states still have unspent funds from a 2018 $380 million budget appropriation. > [@](#): > > Democrats said states would ask for more money if Congress made more available, and the only reason they haven’t spent it all is because they only just got it in some cases. > > The Senate’s version of the spending bill also failed to include new election security money, but passed the Senate Appropriations Committee on a bipartisan basis anyway. > [@Kobal2](#): > > …you guys… /nitpick/ Present company excluded for this Canuck. /nitpick/ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23723 "2018-08-03T08:47:30Z")
A year ago I created a list of 100+ URL’s pointing to evidence of the nastiness and venality of Donald Trump and his accursed regime. I gave up, and am retiring the list. The evil deeds that outraged me have been surpassed by fresh deeds, continually even more stupid and even more evil. For example: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This will end up in multiple threads, because I want to be sure that no one misses it. > > [Trump wants the ACLU to do the government’s job and fix the child separation issue, because the Trump administration can’t figure out how the government could do it](https://apnews.com/06cbb79a77ba4b07964a801c108cef84/US-wants-ACLU-to-take-lead-on-reuniting-separated-families).I’m sure the vast resources of the ACLU dwarf the capabilities of the United States federal government. :rolleyes: In saner days, this would be impossible; the low-level bureaucrat who proposed it would become a laughing-stock. If _West Wing of the Black House_ had an episode on this, the series would be canceled for jumping the shark. Jesus cries. @ **Snowboarder Bo** — you posted in several threads? All in the Pit? Where’s the thread where the imbeciles and monsters who support this Satan defend his actions? What do they say about this? MAGA? Some clever Doper needs to find a meme transforming MAGA to Maggot. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23724 "2018-08-03T12:43:52Z")
#MAGAt. Been using it for a couple of years now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1185) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1187)