# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1187
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23725 "2018-08-03T12:56:35Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > /nitpick/ Present company excluded for this Canuck. /nitpick/ Yeah but here’s the thing. Trump has a thing about coal, right ? And there are two ways to make coal, right ? You can either dig it out of the ground, which is just dead and isn’t coming back and if you believe it’s coming back you’re fucking delusional ; or you can just burn wood. What does Canada have in very large quantities ? That’s right, forests. Now here is the important bit : who has the tiki torches in America ?! Exactly ! So watch your ass. They’ll be distracted by the Reichstag fire for a while, but then they’re gunning for Poland ! And Quebec is… fuck, the Sudetenland maybe ? I don’t know, just work with me here. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23726 "2018-08-03T13:07:13Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > So watch your ass. They’ll be distracted by the Reichstag fire for a while, but then they’re gunning for Poland ! And Quebec is… fuck, the Sudetenland maybe ? I don’t know, just work with me here. Alsace and Lorraine? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23727 "2018-08-03T13:17:13Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Well, they are definitely pretending as Trump tonight at his rally declared once again that the Russia thing is a hoax. > > And if there should be a blue wave, Trump won’t hesitate to use their statements to say Russia _did_ interfere to help the Democrats. And who believes that any Republican will stand up and say “no, my esteemed Democrat opponent beat me fair and square.” Or, as JohnT posted a while ago, Russia really might actually hack to help democrats in some districts, giving Republicans the ‘evidence’ they need to declare the election a sham. So Democrats scream “RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS! RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS” Russia then hacks elections that Democrats win. And Republicans claim that Democrats didn’t really win and refuse to certify the elections at the state level, refuse to seat members of Congress, or otherwise refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the elections. This leads to mass protest. In comes the military to put down the “emergency” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23728 "2018-08-03T14:09:57Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > So watch your ass. They’ll be distracted by the Reichstag fire for a while, but then they’re gunning for Poland ! And Quebec is… fuck, the Sudetenland maybe ? I don’t know, just work with me here. This helpful [Chicago Tribune opinion piece](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-trump-steel-tariffs-canada-huppke-20180604-story.html#)will flesh things out a bit more for you.😛 > [@](#): > > So if those hockey-loving monsters are giving us a “full-blown economic and political war” just because our government officials, like most reasonable Americans, don’t understand tariffs, then we should give Canada one of our finest exports: **An actual war war. The bang-bang kind.** > > The advantages for us, aside from all that sweet syrup and sensible health coverage, are many: > > ``` > We won’t need to impose tariffs on their steel and aluminum because we will just take it all for free. That will make us look more reasonable on the world stage. > It should only take five rifles, three fighter jets and some moose repellent to conquer them. So the cost is minimal. > Their leaders will be deposed and no longer able to say mean things about our extremely nonsmart president, protecting the jobs of important American media figures like myself. > > ``` > > So forget tariffs. They’re old-school and counterproductive and confusing. > > If we’re going to inexplicably go after our allies, let’s really go after them. > > Today, Canada. Tomorrow, the world! ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23729 "2018-08-03T14:19:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Or, as JohnT posted a while ago, Russia really might actually hack to help democrats in some districts, giving Republicans the ‘evidence’ they need to declare the election a sham. > > So Democrats scream “RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS! RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS” > > Russia then hacks elections that Democrats win. > > And Republicans claim that Democrats didn’t really win and refuse to certify the elections at the state level, refuse to seat members of Congress, or otherwise refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the elections. This leads to mass protest. In comes the military to put down the “emergency” Ok, this idea will probably exposed as completely stupid once somebody points out what it is I’m overlooking, BUT: What if it were US policy to prevent ALL foreign hacking, no matter who the foreigners are for or against? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23730 "2018-08-03T14:26:51Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Ok, this idea will probably exposed as completely stupid once somebody points out what it is I’m overlooking, BUT: What if it were US policy to prevent ALL foreign hacking, no matter who the foreigners are for or against? Because it’s impossible to prevent ALL foreign hacking. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23731 "2018-08-03T14:31:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Or, as JohnT posted a while ago, Russia really might actually hack to help democrats in some districts, giving Republicans the ‘evidence’ they need to declare the election a sham. > > So Democrats scream “RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS! RUSSIA’S HACKING OUR ELECTIONS” > > Russia then hacks elections that Democrats win. > > And Republicans claim that Democrats didn’t really win and refuse to certify the elections at the state level, refuse to seat members of Congress, or otherwise refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the elections. This leads to mass protest. In comes the military to put down the “emergency” Aye; that’s pretty much my “worst case” scenario too. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23732 "2018-08-03T14:34:25Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Ok, this idea will probably exposed as completely stupid once somebody points out what it is I’m overlooking, BUT: What if it were US policy to prevent ALL foreign hacking, no matter who the foreigners are for or against? I’m sure it has always been a policy to try to prevent foreign hacking - that’s what a national security apparatus is for. But it is Russia that is clearly the most aggressive in its efforts to disrupt our elections process. Moreover, it’s also obvious that the Republicans are deliberately taking a nonchalant attitude because they evidently believe that they benefit from Russia’s interference, either directly by virtue of winning an illegitimate election, or indirectly by being able to claim that the results are illegitimate if they lose. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23733 "2018-08-03T14:41:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye; that’s pretty much my “worst case” scenario too. Extreme, yes, and a possibility that’s somewhat remote, but no longer out of the realm of the possible. My hunch is that the use of fake news echo chambers on social media is a distraction for something bigger, something that we will observe within the final 3-7 days of the race. Putin’s going to call reverses and trick plays that aren’t on the videotape. I get the feeling what we see in November will be something we’re not really prepared for. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23734 "2018-08-03T14:47:46Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > This helpful [Chicago Tribune opinion piece](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-trump-steel-tariffs-canada-huppke-20180604-story.html#)will flesh things out a bit more for you.😛 All kidding aside, economic nationalism can, and does, precipitate actual shooting wars. One of the great benefits of the post-WWII era of alliances, treaties, and trade agreements is that it engendered more cooperation. Nationalism breeds one-on-one competition, and rather than creating a large multilateral framework for trade and resolving trade disputes, it is replaced with bilateral and trilateral alliances of countries with mutually shared nemeses. At some point, the domestic pressures of countries push authoritarians, who frequently make bad economic and political decisions, into wars over resources and territorial control, either as just another misguided decision or as a means of recouping losses from other bad decisions they’ve made. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23735 "2018-08-03T15:09:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye; that’s pretty much my “worst case” scenario too. I suspect that may be the plan all along. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23736 "2018-08-03T15:21:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This will end up in multiple threads, because I want to be sure that no one misses it. > > [Trump wants the ACLU to do the government’s job and fix the child separation issue, because the Trump administration can’t figure out how the government could do it](https://apnews.com/06cbb79a77ba4b07964a801c108cef84/US-wants-ACLU-to-take-lead-on-reuniting-separated-families).I’m sure the vast resources of the ACLU dwarf the capabilities of the United States federal government. > [@septimus](#): > > @ **Snowboarder Bo** — you posted in several threads? All in the Pit? Where’s the thread where the imbeciles and monsters who support this Satan defend his actions? What do they say about this? MAGA? Pretty much. When they’re not saying “womp, womp,” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23737 "2018-08-03T16:27:06Z")
President #noresponsibility apparently is thinking about shutting the government down before the midterms, rather than after, [because Hannity and Limbaugh think he should.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-sean-hannity-rush-limbaugh-want-government-shutdown-before-midterms?ref=home) Yeah, Donald, absolutely follow their advice. It’s gonna work out great. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23738 "2018-08-03T16:27:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s their prelude toward getting out front of a blue tide in November. If the Democrats really do win big, they can claim that Russia interfered to make them win and throw complete doubt on the 2018 election. It’s typical Republican projection combined with The Big Lie. With states controlled by the GOP about to elect Democratic Congressmen in close elections, I think it almost a certainty that the GOP will refuse certifications. Mark my words: However many D-Congressmen CNN announces Election Night, the number will be less by the time they’re actually seated in January. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Fucking senate yesterday [failed](https://youtu.be/vNPwxhSWr6U?t=296) to grant a mere $250 million into election cyber security, despite last November ok’ing a $700 billion defense authorization. > > Just great, especially when a cyber threat is more of a relevant, likely threat to the US than an actual conventional military threat. $700 billion is a pittance, chump change, a rounding error, when compared with Hundreds of Trillions the D’s want to spend on socialized medicine over the next decades — and that’s not even counting incinerators for the death camps. $250 million is a huge sun, enough to spend over $100,000 per toddler for detectives to track down the toddlers that would-be terrorists foisted on us at the border recently. When are you liberals going to make up your minds about priorities? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23739 "2018-08-03T17:30:54Z")
I like you ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23740 "2018-08-03T17:45:53Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > I like you Common mistake. Don’t get to like anyone here. We’re all horrible people. Except me. I’m great. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23741 "2018-08-03T17:48:59Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Common mistake. Don’t get to like anyone here. We’re all horrible people. Except me. I’m great. At being despicable. You’re great at being despicable. You gotta finish your sentences, man. And I’m not horrible. I’m godawful. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23742 "2018-08-03T19:24:55Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Common mistake. Don’t get to like anyone here. We’re all horrible people. Except me. I’m great. I like horrible people. So you can take your greatness and shove it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23743 "2018-08-03T19:40:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > President #noresponsibility apparently is thinking about shutting the government down before the midterms, rather than after, [because Hannity and Limbaugh think he should.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-sean-hannity-rush-limbaugh-want-government-shutdown-before-midterms?ref=home) Can he even _do_ that? I had thought that a government shutdown was by nature an exigent thing (the exigency being that there’s no money to keep it up and running). Can the President shut it down just because he doesn’t _feel like_ keeping it in operation? 'Cos that seems kinda fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23744 "2018-08-03T19:54:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Today, the entire national security cabinet (Homeland Security, DNI, Bolton, etc) stood before the media and stated unequivocally that Russia is attempting to interfere with the 2018 election, but that they’re on the case. > > I wonder: did we just witness a mini-coup? How much of this was on their own and in defiance of their boss? In defense of their boss, not in defiance of him. Don’t forget that all of these people were appointed by Trump and are answerable to him. I think this is just the next wall of the cover-up. The Trump administration has already tried to shut down the investigate and convince people that no crime ever occurred. That’s worn too thin. So now they’ll try to take over the investigation so they can control where it goes and how slowly it moves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1186) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1188)