# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1189
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23765 "2018-08-04T18:37:38Z")
> [@Old\_Time\_Hockey](#): > > If you take away Carroll O’Connor’s innate charm, humanity and empathy, which was needed to make Archie funny and not a total monster, the Trump comparison by both Lear and Reiner is legitimate. But you can’t take away the actor’s innate charm, humanity and empathy when talking about the character. That’s my point. Archie \*was \*likable, despite his racism, sexism and all of his other flaws. Trump is absolutely not. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23766 "2018-08-04T18:44:05Z")
On the bus here in Honolulu the other day, some clown was sitting up front in the seats that face left and right rather than forward. He was dressed in some sort of American-flag shirt and holding up to his chest, cover facing outward, a copy of I think it was _Time_ magazine. The cover was a photo of Kim and Chump shaking hands. He just sat there, staring forward, wearing his flag and keeping that magazine up for all to see, saying nothing. I resisted the urge to spit on him. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23767 "2018-08-04T19:45:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A federal judge in Texas is expected to issue a contradictory ruling later this week. It’ll all wind up before the Kavanaugh Court. Leave it to a Republican to take “Why can’t I treat innocent childeren like animals?” to the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23768 "2018-08-04T19:48:55Z")
I think the Manhattan Madam is single-handedly responsible for the continued success of the American botox industry. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23769 "2018-08-04T19:56:02Z")
Colour me curious what happens to the children who cannot be reunited with their parents (and I assume there will be at least a few dozen in this situation ultimately). Has the U.S. informally adopted them? Will they be kept and fed and then deported when they reach some arbitrary age? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23770 "2018-08-04T20:18:11Z")
That’s not what haunts me. What haunts me is parents fleeing death and terror in their native lands. Offered the chance to leave their children in America, and going home to face a grim future knowing only that their kids are more or less safe…How many might take it? Willingly, sorta kinda. Have we updated _Sophie’s Choice_, but without Germans? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23771 "2018-08-04T20:31:31Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > But you can’t take away the actor’s innate charm, humanity and empathy when talking about the character. That’s my point. Archie \*was \*likable, despite his racism, sexism and all of his other flaws. Trump is absolutely not. Archie Bunker is emblematic of a bygone era. The man had barely (if even) a high school education, held a grunty job on the docks, and yet, owned a house in fucking Flushing Queens. Would that even be possible today? It seems as though society is more stable when we are not heeling the necks of ignorant assholes to the ground. I know we all want to, but maybe stomping them down is not the best way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23772 "2018-08-04T21:05:54Z")
CNN is reporting Hope Hicks was just seen boarding Air Force One. Guess there’ll be a Do Not Disturb sign on the presidential bedroom on today’s flight. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23773 "2018-08-04T21:38:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Archie Bunker is emblematic of a bygone era. The man had barely (if even) a high school education, held a grunty job on the docks, and yet, owned a house in fucking Flushing Queens. Would that even be possible today? A small quibble, but Archie didn’t work at “the docks”. He worked at the loading dock of the Pendergast Tool & Die Company. He was a foreman, then promoted to dispatcher. Eventually, of course, he bought Kelsey’s Bar. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23774 "2018-08-04T21:49:42Z")
Was it ever actually established whether or not he was union? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23775 "2018-08-04T21:59:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Was it ever actually established whether or not he was union? A search hit [imdb.com](http://imdb.com): [The Bunkers and Inflation: Part 1](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0509927/) Storyline : “Archie’s union calls a strike, leaving the family to begin adjusting to not having a steady income.” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23776 "2018-08-04T23:29:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Archie Bunker is emblematic of a bygone era. The man had barely (if even) a high school education, held a grunty job on the docks, and yet, owned a house in fucking Flushing Queens. Would that even be possible today?. While the house shown was from Flushing, Archie supposedly lived in Astoria. Either way, the only way that would be possible today is if the house had been passed down through the generations. Otherwise, he would need to have two earners to qualify for the mortgage, given the nature of his work. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23777 "2018-08-05T00:10:56Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > CNN is reporting Hope Hicks was just seen boarding Air Force One. Guess there’ll be a Do Not Disturb sign on the presidential bedroom on today’s flight. Since they were ordered not to communicate with each other in any way, this is straight-up witness tampering. LOCK HIM UP!!! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23778 "2018-08-05T00:11:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A federal judge in Texas is expected to issue a contradictory ruling later this week. It’ll all wind up before the Kavanaugh Court. Wouldn’t at all surprise me if they rule in favor of Trump’s inhumanity. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23779 "2018-08-05T00:44:25Z")
Drone attack on Venezuelan president. I would not be surprised if this was directed by Bolton and the orange stooge. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23780 "2018-08-05T04:27:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Since they were ordered not to communicate with each other in any way, this is straight-up witness tampering. Is there a cite for this? quick search didn’t pull up anything. IMHO, there is so much trump shit, then there is no need to make up stuff. It only plays into his base that seize upon any exaggeration or sarcasm to deny the beam in Trumps eye. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23781 "2018-08-05T05:58:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Drone attack on Venezuelan president. I would not be surprised if this was directed by Bolton and the orange stooge. Maduro is accusing Colombia. In other news, Trump’s policies have indeed reduced the amount of foreigners going to the US. Paying ones, in the case of [Business School](http://newscenter.gmac.com/news-releases/news-release-details/largest-most-popular-business-school-programs-worldwide-see) students. Schools in Spain, Singapore or Canada don’t mind. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23782 "2018-08-05T06:52:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Drone attack on Venezuelan president. I would not be surprised if this was directed by Bolton and the orange stooge. As much as I despise both Bolton and Crunchy Howard, I would expect an operation by any of our government intelligence services would result in Maduro being dead dead dead. Or at least seriously injured. My guess is this was an internal attempt by some amateurs. Of course if this was farmed out to Roger Stone and some dude he met at a gun show who knew where he could get some drones and C4 on the cheap, well then all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23783 "2018-08-05T10:46:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Please don’t call the Trumpwumps “radicals”. Hurts my feelings. I think he meant radical as in “strike at the root” – you know, chop away at the foundation of this country, despite their alleged love for the founding fathers. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23784 "2018-08-05T11:57:30Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Maduro is accusing Colombia. God what a shit show Venezuela has become. I remember teaching international students from there back in 2013 and 2014 and they were desperate to get out and stay out. Anyone with the means to escape has. Not to compare the strength of their former democracy to ours, but Venezuela’s a cautionary tale of what happens when you vote for a demagogue to shake things up and let him get away with calling the news fake, let him get away with purging (and later jailing) bureaucrats who believe more in doing their jobs for the good of the country rather than showing loyalty, and let him get away with attacks on the rule of law. > [@Nava](#): > > In other news, Trump’s policies have indeed reduced the amount of foreigners going to the US. Paying ones, in the case of students. Schools in Spain, Singapore or Canada don’t mind. He’s hurting higher education in the process, but he gives not a single dingleberry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1190)