# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1195
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23885 "2018-08-08T10:54:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > For fuck’s sake, don’t these people realize that immigration is a long-term investment? The first generation is \*always \*poor; it’s the second generation onward that pays dividends. The first generation isn’t necessarily always poor, either. But to your point, the next generation works and pays the taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23886 "2018-08-08T11:50:32Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > For fuck’s sake, don’t these people realize that immigration is a long-term investment? The first generation is \*always \*poor; it’s the second generation onward that pays dividends. They are white supremacists. It’s not about the economy or strength of the US. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23887 "2018-08-08T20:32:04Z")
An ICE driver crashed a van full of mothers separated from their children, and ICE denied it happened. > **[News report says ICE denied van full of separated mothers crashed](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/400884-ice-initially-denied-it-crashed-a-van-full-of-separated-mothers/)** > > Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) initially denied that a cargo van carrying eight Central American mothers to be reunited with their children crashed last month, according to The… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23888 "2018-08-08T21:23:14Z")
[Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross orders NOAA to prioritize water for firefighting over endangered species](https://www.axios.com/commerce-secretary-orders-noaa-to-prioritize-water-for-fires--e7895907-0144-4ca3-9e9a-7cee2329ea59.html) > [@](#): > > The policy directive follows tweets President Trump sent that were met with confusion by California officials, including firefighters, who said the state has more than enough water to combat the blazes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23889 "2018-08-08T22:49:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > For fuck’s sake, don’t these people realize that immigration is a long-term investment? The first generation is \*always \*poor; it’s the second generation onward that pays dividends. As said, this is about racism. Not economics. Rather the opposite; America will be significantly poorer once they’ve eliminated the non-white, non-Christian, non-right-wing population. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23890 "2018-08-08T23:15:41Z")
Heck, you can’t even argue with such people that an action is in their best financial interests when they’re set on an opposing action that serves their\* fantasies \*of their financial interests, i.e. cut taxes on billionaires because one day _I’ll_ be a billionaire. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23891 "2018-08-08T23:24:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > As said, this is about racism. Not economics. Rather the opposite; America will be significantly poorer once they’ve eliminated the non-white, non-Christian, non-right-wing population. Of course, then you’d finally become a full-blown idiocracy (not that you’re far away from it at the moment) of people who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground (to steal a phrase from Randy Newman). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23892 "2018-08-08T23:29:33Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Of course, then you’d finally become a full-blown idiocracy (not that you’re far away from it at the moment) of people who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground (to steal a phrase from Randy Newman). Actually what we are at that point is a full-blown genocidal fascist regime armed with thousands of nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23893 "2018-08-08T23:31:43Z")
Lordy, there are tapes! Former Trump administration official and professional annoying person, Omarosa Manigault-Newman, secretly recorded conversations with Trump while he was President. Those that have been reported on are apparently unremarkable, but there may be more. She also has a book coming out soon, which I can’t wait to miss. [https://amp.thedailybeast.com/omarosa-secretly-recorded-trumpand-played-the-audio-for-people-while-shopping-her-new-book-sources-say?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://amp.thedailybeast.com/omarosa-secretly-recorded-trumpand-played-the-audio-for-people-while-shopping-her-new-book-sources-say?__twitter_impression=true) ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23894 "2018-08-08T23:32:16Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Of course, then you’d finally become a full-blown idiocracy (not that you’re far away from it at the moment) of people who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground (to steal a phrase from Randy Newman). It’s a world wide problem, crazy enough I had just read this article before clicking on this thread. > **[Berlin - Germany's capital of anti-Semitic crime – DW – 08/08/2018](https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitic-crime-in-germany-1-in-5-offenses-in-berlin/a-44994347)** > > Police register far more anti-Semitic offenses in Berlin than in any other German state, according to local German media. Berlin is a flashpoint for conflict, a representative of the city's Jewish community told DW. Unfortunately it looks like we all are at risk of making the same mistakes as we did last century. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23895 "2018-08-08T23:37:10Z")
Wow, take note all you idiots who voted for this pig because of your cowardly racial resentment. “almost every student that comes over to this country is a spy.” > **[Trump slams China at business dinner: report](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400927-trump-slams-china-at-business-dinner/)** > > President Trump reportedly spent a large part of Tuesday’s dinner with business executives railing against China as a brewing trade war grew even larger. While the White House said the event w… ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23896 "2018-08-08T23:45:40Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > It’s a world wide problem, crazy enough I had just read this article before clicking on this thread. > > [Berlin - Germany's capital of anti-Semitic crime – DW – 08/08/2018](https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitic-crime-in-germany-1-in-5-offenses-in-berlin/a-44994347) > > Unfortunately it looks like we all are at risk of making the same mistakes as we did last century. Sadly, sadly I knew this, and I didn’t want to be smug against the US per se. But Trump is such a unique phenomenon and so diametrical against the principles of the USA as I have known them, and he’s not a cunning or even scheming wannabe dictator, no, he’s an idiot with the mind of a toddler, but very effective in sowing confusion and mayhem everywhere and most inexplicable of all, still a majority of loyal party fellows who have been much longer in politics than him and must have still left a lick of sense or at least a single brain cell are allowing this disaster. It’s unreal. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23897 "2018-08-08T23:46:36Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Wow, take note all you idiots who voted for this pig because of your cowardly racial resentment. > > “almost every student that comes over to this country is a spy.” > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400927-trump-slams-china-at-business-dinner](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400927-trump-slams-china-at-business-dinner) From that link: > [@](#): > > Politico reports Trump spent time criticizing China’s “One Belt One Road Initiative,” a massive endeavor designed to establish multiple infrastructure plans connecting China to other countries in Asia, Europe and Africa. The attendee said Trump considered the project “insulting.” 😕 ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23898 "2018-08-08T23:57:00Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Wow, take note all you idiots who voted for this pig because of your cowardly racial resentment. > > “almost every student that comes over to this country is a spy.” > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400927-trump-slams-china-at-business-dinner](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400927-trump-slams-china-at-business-dinner) Mrs. Map (born in Asia, holds two degrees from the Univetsity of Kansas) has managed to keep her true status hidden for all these years, until our president outed her just now! Actually, the idea of her as a spy is rather sexy… ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23899 "2018-08-09T00:02:29Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Mrs. Map (born in Asia, holds two degrees from the Univetsity of Kansas) has managed to keep her true status hidden for all these years, until our president outed her just now! > > Actually, the idea of her as a spy is rather sexy… The spy who…shagged me? 😃 (and of course she’s a sleeper…;)) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23900 "2018-08-09T00:31:45Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Mrs. Map (born in Asia, holds two degrees from the Univetsity of Kansas) has managed to keep her true status hidden for all these years, until our president outed her just now! > > Actually, the idea of her as a spy is rather sexy… I hope she’s a U.S. Citizen. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23901 "2018-08-09T01:45:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@JKellyMap](#): > > > > Mrs. Map (born in Asia, holds two degrees from the Univetsity of Kansas) has managed to keep her true status hidden for all these years, until our president outed her just now! > > > > Actually, the idea of her as a spy is rather sexy… > > I hope she’s a U.S. Citizen. :dubious: Wait till Phase II. (I have this semi-bizarre image of a process that is the opposite of the LDS ritual of retroactively baptizing one’s ancestors — in this case, it involves retroactive revocation of the citizenship of anyone deemed “unworthy.”) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23902 "2018-08-09T01:58:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross orders NOAA to prioritize water for firefighting over endangered species](https://www.axios.com/commerce-secretary-orders-noaa-to-prioritize-water-for-fires--e7895907-0144-4ca3-9e9a-7cee2329ea59.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > The policy directive follows tweets President Trump sent that were met with confusion by California officials, including firefighters, who said the state has more than enough water to combat the blazes. “Oh. Well, then, just kill a bunch of endangered animals, and we’ll call it good.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23903 "2018-08-09T03:06:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I hope she’s a U.S. Citizen. :dubious: Eventually they will start rescinding citizenships. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23904 "2018-08-09T04:03:19Z")
Looking back on this thread, I thought this was already posted (or maybe I didn’t look back far enough?) (or just seeing things to begin with?) Only [the best](https://www.propublica.org/article/ike-perlmutter-bruce-moskowitz-marc-sherman-shadow-rulers-of-the-va) for преЦАРдент Trump’s VA team. > [@](#): > > More to the point, [Palm Beach Doctor Bruce Moskowitz] is one-third of an informal council that is exerting sweeping influence on the VA from Mar-a-Lago, President Donald Trump’s private club in Palm Beach, Florida. The troika is led by Ike Perlmutter, the reclusive chairman of Marvel Entertainment, who is a longtime acquaintance of President Trump’s. The third member is a lawyer named Marc Sherman. None of them has ever served in the U.S. military or government. > > Yet from a thousand miles away, they have leaned on VA officials and steered policies affecting millions of Americans. They have remained hidden except to a few VA insiders, who have come to call them “the Mar-a-Lago Crowd.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1194) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1196)