# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1196
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23905 "2018-08-09T05:02:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Eventually they will start rescinding citizenships. I said this before, but not very clearly. The want to regulate immigration based on “merit”. Let the applicants who are worthy, based on, oh, you know, the OWQ (Objective Worthiness Quotient). So, once we have established a pattern of ranking people according to their OWQ index, it will become second nature to start in with the meritoriousness of _everyone_. Yes, I admit, that looks like slippery-slopery. Sorry, I guess I am just paranoid – and something seems to be causing my manageable paranoia to metastasize out of control. No idea what might be behind that. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23906 "2018-08-09T10:44:54Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I hope she’s a U.S. Citizen. :dubious: Yes, she is…very much so. Like me and so many of our fellow citizens, she is deeply disappointed in the about-30-percent of our _other_ fellow citizens who have revealed their true (ahem) colors these past two years…but we’re still stalwart and hopeful we’ll all weather this storm somehow (the arc of the moral universe and all that…). ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23907 "2018-08-09T12:01:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Eventually they will start rescinding citizenships. Mitch McConnell’s wife and Trump cabinet member Elaine Chao is a Chinese immigrant. Technically, she immigrated from Taiwan but her family is Chinese. Deep cover spy, maybe? She sure managed to insert herself into the highest levels of government. And she honey-trapped a turtle. > **[Elaine Chao](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Chao)** > > Elaine Lan Chao (born March 26, 1953) is an American businesswoman and former government official who served as United States secretary of labor in the administration of George W. Bush from 2001 to 2009 and as United States Secretary of Transportation in the administration of Donald Trump from 2017 to 2021. A member of the Republican Party, Chao was the first Asian American woman to serve in a presidential cabinet or as secretary of transportation. She resigned as transportation secretary a Bor... Cool, I just invented a conspiracy theory! I didn’t even know where this was going when I started typing. There are no coincidences. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23908 "2018-08-09T12:56:56Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Yes, she is…very much so. Unless proposition 304 passes, and we all pray it will. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23909 "2018-08-09T14:00:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Heck, you can’t even argue with such people that an action is in their best financial interests when they’re set on an opposing action that serves their\* fantasies \*of their financial interests, i.e. cut taxes on billionaires because one day _I’ll_ be a billionaire. Forget about best financial interests: how about voting for Trump when your wife is an illegal immigrant, and then you’re _SHOCKED_ that Trump deports your wife! [When a Trump supporter’s wife is deported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-veteran-supported-trump-until-trump-deported-his-wife/2018/08/06/33083252-99bc-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.3e8f8cd396bf) It’s behind Washington Post paywall, so here’s a summary: 1. Wife is an illegal immigrant from Mexico, having re-entered the country after being caught in the US illegally; second entry in these circumstances is a felony; 2. Wife gets arrested in 2013 by ICE, and they advise that she is subject to deportation, but there is an amnesty / deferral in place under Obama; 3. Trump campaigns on deporting ALL illegal immigrants in the US, especially criminals from from Mexico; 4. Husband, a US citizen, votes for Trump in 2016 (ie three years after his wife’s status comes to the attention of ICE), because he wants “change”; 5. ICE deports wife, on basis she is an illegal immigrant who committed a felony, so not just an illegal immigrant, but has committed a felony; 6. Husband is SHOCKED! That’s not the kind of change he thought Trump would bring. It’s a sad story, but there just aren’t enough :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: aimed at the husband. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23910 "2018-08-09T14:03:28Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s a sad story, but there just aren’t enough :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: aimed at the husband. That’s not a sad story. Fuck that guy, he is getting exactly want he wanted. It’s a story about #winning ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23911 "2018-08-09T14:13:32Z")
I’m sure he still supports Trump even though it broke up his family. After all, Hillary Clinton was threatening the country with a public health care system and had to be stopped. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23912 "2018-08-09T14:16:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m sure he still supports Trump even though it broke up his family. After all, Hillary Clinton was threatening the country with a public health care system and had to be stopped. Don’t forget about those emails, too! ---
**Author:** ![Project\_Patahhh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@Project\_Patahhh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Project_Patahhh)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23913 "2018-08-09T14:38:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Don’t forget about those emails, too! And Benghazi. #neverforget ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23914 "2018-08-09T15:17:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s not a sad story. Fuck that guy, he is getting exactly want he wanted. It’s a story about #winning Yeah, fuck that guy. And his wife is an illegal immigrant, so her life being destroyed is just the way it is, she’s either irrelevant or she deserved to be deported. I mean, it’s never sad that someone suffers consequences of their illegal actions, no matter the motivation for them. … ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23915 "2018-08-09T15:31:59Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s not a sad story. Fuck that guy, he is getting exactly want he wanted. It’s a story about #winning But he’s a veteran! Sorry, it annoys me that they included that several times, even though it has shot-all to do with the situation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23916 "2018-08-09T15:36:26Z")
Well, there’s how all these years of idolatrous lip service about The Troops may have convinced the couple that The Man would not dare do it to THEM… …and of course The Boss meant deporting rapist and Bad Hombres, didn’t he? > [@eschereal](#): > > So, once we have established a pattern of ranking people according to their OWQ index, it will become second nature to start in with the meritoriousness of _everyone_. > > Yes, I admit, that looks like slippery-slopery. Sorry, I guess I am just paranoid – and something seems to be causing my manageable paranoia to metastasize out of control. No idea what might be behind that. Like I said on an earlier post, at some point it goes through availing yourself of social benefits results in some level of civil disenfranchisement. But of course wanna bet farm subsidies will be just fine and dandy… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23917 "2018-08-09T15:37:46Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Yeah, fuck that guy. And his wife is an illegal immigrant, so her life being destroyed is just the way it is, she’s either irrelevant or she deserved to be deported. I mean, it’s never sad that someone suffers consequences of their illegal actions, no matter the motivation for them. > > … No, it’s not sad that the guy voted for Trump and now is getting exactly what he voted for. He should be happy. Sucks for the wife, but she married that dumb ass. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23918 "2018-08-09T15:39:22Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Forget about best financial interests: how about voting for Trump when your wife is an illegal immigrant, and then you’re _SHOCKED_ that Trump deports your wife! > > [When a Trump supporter’s wife is deported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-veteran-supported-trump-until-trump-deported-his-wife/2018/08/06/33083252-99bc-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.3e8f8cd396bf) > > It’s behind Washington Post paywall, so here’s a summary: > > 1. Wife is an illegal immigrant from Mexico, having re-entered the country after being caught in the US illegally; second entry in these circumstances is a felony; > > 2. Wife gets arrested in 2013 by ICE, and they advise that she is subject to deportation, but there is an amnesty / deferral in place under Obama; > > 3. Trump campaigns on deporting ALL illegal immigrants in the US, especially criminals from from Mexico; > > 4. Husband, a US citizen, votes for Trump in 2016 (ie three years after his wife’s status comes to the attention of ICE), because he wants “change”; > > 5. ICE deports wife, on basis she is an illegal immigrant who committed a felony, so not just an illegal immigrant, but has committed a felony; > > 6. Husband is SHOCKED! That’s not the kind of change he thought Trump would bring. > It’s a sad story, but there just aren’t enough :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: aimed at the husband. Someone here had a line that covers this, but I don’t know who to attribute it to: “I never thought the leopards would eat _my_ face.” said the person who voted for the “Leopards eating your face” party. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23919 "2018-08-09T15:48:43Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No, it’s not sad that the guy voted for Trump and now is getting exactly what he voted for. He should be happy. Sucks for the wife, but she married that dumb ass. And, it’s apparently more important for \*him \*to stay in the US than to stay with his wife and family. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23920 "2018-08-09T15:50:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m sure he still supports Trump even though it broke up his family. After all, Hillary Clinton was threatening the country with a public health care system and had to be stopped. And she was going to convert all the Christian churches to mosques! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23921 "2018-08-09T15:54:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And, it’s apparently more important for \*him \*to stay in the US than to stay with his wife and family. Maybe it was a multi-year plan to get rid of his family and blame it on Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23922 "2018-08-09T15:57:58Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Someone here had a line that covers this, but I don’t know who to attribute it to: “I never thought the leopards would eat _my_ face.” said the person who voted for the “Leopards eating your face” party. [It seems, from what I can tell, to have originated in this tweet.](https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736?lang=en) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23923 "2018-08-09T16:35:51Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > But he’s a veteran! > > Sorry, it annoys me that they included that several times, even though it has shot-all to do with the situation. Actually, it is relevant. According to the story, ICE didn’t take steps to deport her when they first arrested her in 2013 because > [@](#): > > But the Obama administration did not prioritise the deportation of military family members - a policy of protection supported by, among others, then Rep. Mike Pence. So it’s Obama’s fault. If he hadn’t been coddling military family illegals, this would have been all over with years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/23924 "2018-08-09T16:37:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And, it’s apparently more important for \*him \*to stay in the US than to stay with his wife and family. The article says he’s a naturalised citizen, but it doesn’t say if he has Mexican citizenship. He could have been born elsewhere. If he doesn’t have Mexican citizenship, he may not have a right to live in Mexico. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1195) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1197)