# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/221 "2016-12-17T15:17:56Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > It’s hard to keep track…So many threads, so little time! > > Just sayin… No kidding. I didn’t mean my post to sound reproachful. Sorry if it did. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/222 "2016-12-17T15:29:03Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I’m not quite sure about Romney but I don’t remember any of that about McCain on this board. The only thing he got a lot of flak for here was his choice of running mate. You’d probably agree he didn’t get as much flak as Palin did, and Palin and Trump got about the same amount, so therefore McCain did not get as much. At that time, there were some of us who would have been fine with McCain - and said so. The only fly in the ointment was Palin. She received a lot of ridicule (and deserved it). ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/223 "2016-12-17T15:58:27Z")
Trump accused China of [“unpresidented”](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/17/donald-trump-china-unpresidented-act-us-navy-drone) behavior. Apparently his people have been explaining the concept of impeachment to him using the term. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/224 "2016-12-17T18:26:27Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump accused China of [“unpresidented”](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/17/donald-trump-china-unpresidented-act-us-navy-drone) behavior. Apparently his people have been explaining the concept of impeachment to him using the term. We can only hope that this is the same kind of projection he uses for everything else he says. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/225 "2016-12-18T00:49:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > No kidding. I didn’t mean my post to sound reproachful. Sorry if it did. No problem! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/226 "2016-12-18T04:40:55Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump accused China of [“unpresidented”](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/17/donald-trump-china-unpresidented-act-us-navy-drone) behavior. Apparently his people have been explaining the concept of impeachment to him using the term. I just read where it took his staff 87 minutes to notice that and correct it. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/227 "2016-12-18T14:08:26Z")
So China picked up an unmanned underwater vehicle that the US Navy was operating near Chinese water. Things have been a little tense. This is the kind of delicate international incident requiring careful discussion. Or, another option is a tweet. Like the one Trump sent: [Quote=Twit of the US] We should tell China that we don’t want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it! [/quote] Now, that’s diplomacy! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/228 "2016-12-18T15:04:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Seems to be “a thing” now. Since the fat orange puke has no good qualities (other than the ability to lie and screw people over and steal their money) all we hear is “derp hitlery bad”. They simply have nothing to point to. I voted for Hillary, but I don’t recall ever pointing to anything good about her; I could easily name a number of things I disliked about her positions or her campaign – one of which almost made me throw up in my mouth – but the only selling point I ever really had in mind, when talking her up to others or myself, was _derp trump bad_. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/229 "2016-12-18T17:14:36Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I imagine he’s into hock to some Russian lenders. Are American banks even willing to lend to him? Trump is not afraid of his creditors, his creditors are afraid of him. And now that he’s president, if he is anything near the despot in making that some people think he is, then his creditors have no fucking hold over him at all. The banks that lend money to Trump’s real estate deals do not lend money on faith. Real estate loans are usually secured and based on a pretty solid business plan. I doubt Trump has trouble raising money for a good project and like it or not, Trump’s name on a project adds value. His name represents the lion’s share of his wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/230 "2016-12-18T17:16:09Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I’m not quite sure about Romney but I don’t remember any of that about McCain on this board. The only thing he got a lot of flak for here was his choice of running mate. You’d probably agree he didn’t get as much flak as Palin did, and Palin and Trump got about the same amount, so therefore McCain did not get as much. I agree that Palin got more flak than McCain but only because most of the liberals on this board aren’t partisan idiots but enough are. I also agree he didn’t get as much flak as Trump, in fact he got much less notice generally than Obama and Hillary that year. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/231 "2016-12-18T17:18:01Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > No they are not. cite? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/232 "2016-12-18T18:10:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Trump is not afraid of his creditors, his creditors are afraid of him. And now that he’s president, if he is anything near the despot in making that some people think he is, then his creditors have no fucking hold over him at all. > > The banks that lend money to Trump’s real estate deals do not lend money on faith. Real estate loans are usually secured and based on a pretty solid business plan. I doubt Trump has trouble raising money for a good project and like it or not, Trump’s name on a project adds value. His name represents the lion’s share of his wealth. If his name is his wealth then I have real doubts about his liquidity. You don’t know what his debt is, who it’s to, how many times he’s been sued, what his tax returns look like, where any of those suits are in progress, what the value of his name is, or what his motives are in what he says and how they are affected by this, how easy or difficult it is for him to borrow money from various sources, how wealthy he is… or anything really. What you do know you ignore. Given that, are you fighting ignorance or just being a donald mythifier, and apologist? It’s really curious tone for someone who voted against him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/233 "2016-12-18T19:01:16Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > … > Given that, are you fighting ignorance or just being a donald mythifier, and apologist? > … Hmmm… I guess you do know the correct usage of this word. :smack: I apologize for my note in another thread and silently slink away… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/234 "2016-12-18T19:58:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > cite? It’s already been well documented that American banks are no longer willing (source: Wall Street Journal) to loan money to Donald Trump due to his pattern of strategically not paying his bills or repaying his debts when he thinks he can get away with it. And yet he’s managed to nearly double his debt load (source: Bloomberg) over the past year by borrowing a flurry of funds from overseas investors. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/235 "2016-12-18T21:37:44Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I agree that Palin got more flak than McCain but only because most of the liberals on this board aren’t partisan idiots but enough are. > > I also agree he didn’t get as much flak as Trump, in fact he got much less notice generally than Obama and Hillary that year. McCain chose Palin. He is one fly hair above a trump voter. He deserved a lot of flak for that. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/236 "2016-12-19T16:36:22Z")
If I remember correctly, pre-Palin, McCaine was mainly criticized on the board for walking back from his Maverick straight talk status and embracing the standard Republican Clap Trap. This was of course before the Party went off the deep end, back when we thought that GW Bush was the worst they had to offer. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/237 "2016-12-19T17:22:13Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If I remember correctly, pre-Palin, McCaine was mainly criticized on the board for walking back from his Maverick straight talk status and embracing the standard Republican Clap Trap. This was of course before the Party went off the deep end, **back when we thought that GW Bush was the worst they had to offer.** Man, those were great days, huh? When we though Bush was the bottom of the barrel? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/238 "2016-12-19T17:28:16Z")
“Wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then.” - Bob Seegar ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/239 "2016-12-19T17:33:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then.” > > - Bob Seegar Or Toby Keith. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/240 "2016-12-19T17:42:39Z")
“Against the Wind” came out in 1980. When whoever the hell Toby Keith is was 19. So, maybe, but I doubt it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=13)