# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2381 "2017-03-12T06:32:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > He was pro-choice until 2015 - anybody who bangs as many eastern European whores as he did back in the 1990s is definitely _not_ pro-life. Plenty of video over the decades where he pledges his support to Roe v. Wade. > > Melania and Ivana were Communists. One was Czech, the other Yugoslavian. Both born and raised Communists until their 20s, when their physical assets allowed them the chance to escape (well, Melania was helped by 1992, obviously). Apart from the blatant anti-eastern European bigotry, I did some research, and it appears you’re confusing Melania’s father for her. He was a Communist, not her. ([https://www.google.com/amp/s/ijr.com/wildfire/2016/12/761718-melania-trumps-childhood-as-communists-daughter-to-her-future-as-americas-first-lady/amp/](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ijr.com/wildfire/2016/12/761718-melania-trumps-childhood-as-communists-daughter-to-her-future-as-americas-first-lady/amp/)) Oh, amen Trump as pro-choice until 2011, not until 2015. [Donald Trump Explains Conversion to Pro-Life Side on Abortion - LifeNews.com](http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/08/donald-trump-explains-conversion-to-pro-life-side-on-abortion/) And do you have any source for your notion Ivanka was a Communist? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2382 "2017-03-12T06:43:25Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Melania Trump is not a Communist, Donald’s Trump is not a pro-life atheist, but a pro-Loren… Not sure why Sophia Loren is included, but whatever. I much preferred Ann-Margret in _Grumpier Old Men_, for what it’s worth. Still, Sophia Loren and Ann-Margret in the same movie–yowza! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2383 "2017-03-12T06:43:34Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Apart from the blatant anti-eastern European bigotry, I did some research, and it appears you’re confusing Melania’s father for her. He was a Communist, not her. ([https://www.google.com/amp/s/ijr.com/wildfire/2016/12/761718-melania-trumps-childhood-as-communists-daughter-to-her-future-as-americas-first-lady/amp/](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ijr.com/wildfire/2016/12/761718-melania-trumps-childhood-as-communists-daughter-to-her-future-as-americas-first-lady/amp/)) Oh, amen Trump as pro-choice until 2011, not until 2015. [Donald Trump Explains Conversion to Pro-Life Side on Abortion - LifeNews.com](http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/08/donald-trump-explains-conversion-to-pro-life-side-on-abortion/) And do you have any source for your notion Ivanka was a Communist? \*and Trump was pro-choice until 2011, not 2015. I also meant Ivana, not Ivanka ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2384 "2017-03-12T07:26:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How would that work with the DR flag, given it has a seal on it? The seal would be upside down. Given the fact that we haven’t been at war since the war of independence, so far is just something on paper. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2385 "2017-03-12T09:19:32Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > \*and Trump was pro-choice until 2011, not 2015. I also meant Ivana, not Ivanka It would be so much easier if Mr. Trump dallied with good American women, such as Mary, Jessica, or Wendy. Why is he so consumed with Communist women? Is he a Communist sympathizer? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2386 "2017-03-12T09:38:36Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I also meant Ivana, not Ivanka Don’t worry. Not even Donald can tell them apart. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2387 "2017-03-12T10:25:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Don’t worry. Not even Donald can tell them apart. “That feel _just_ like your mother’s.” ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2388 "2017-03-12T10:42:09Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Why is he so consumed with Communist women? Is he a Communist sympathizer? They’re more readily impressed by bloviating, buffoonish, petty tyrants, and coming from a foreign culture they have no social connections and are easier to control. It’s a whole ‘father complex’ thing. Trump is basically a bargain basement Silvio Berlusconi, and I bet his next wife comes from Chechnya or Turkey. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2389 "2017-03-12T13:24:21Z")
Nice American ladies are more likely to be grossed out by his request for them to urinate on each other. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2390 "2017-03-12T13:33:44Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > It would be so much easier if Mr. Trump dallied with good American women, such as Mary, Jessica, or Wendy. > > Why is he so consumed with Communist women? Is he a Communist sympathizer? They arrive in the mail postage paid. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2391 "2017-03-12T15:02:34Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Apart from the blatant anti-eastern European bigotry… You’ve made more vile, bigoted statements about liberals in the past three days than I have ever seen posted on this board about Eastern Europeans. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2392 "2017-03-12T15:04:02Z")
Don’t blame him, those weren’t his words. He plagiarized that shit. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2393 "2017-03-12T15:17:17Z")
Ok, the New Kid is now dominating TWO threads with no ignorance being fought. The hamster called: he wants his wheel back! ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2394 "2017-03-12T16:00:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ok, the New Kid is now dominating TWO threads with no ignorance being fought. The hamster called: he wants his wheel back! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2395 "2017-03-12T16:02:44Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You’ve made more vile, bigoted statements about liberals in the past three days than I have ever seen posted on this board about Eastern Europeans. What about the vile statements made about conservatives by your colleagues on this board? Are those okay?:mad: ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2396 "2017-03-12T16:08:37Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > What about the vile statements made about conservatives by your colleagues on this board? Are those okay?:mad: I believe the majority of those are aimed at Trump supporters. Who may or may not be actual conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2397 "2017-03-12T16:12:05Z")
Actually, I am going to give **ckalli** credit for making me realize I was being completely unfair to the women I blithely, and wrongly, called “Eastern European whores”. Being born in 1998 (I guess?), CK is too much of a child to remember that the sex trafficking from post-Communist countries of Eastern Europe was so endemic that it constituted a [“distinct wave in the sex trade”](http://www.rferl.org/a/1060878.html)\*. Forcibly kidnapped or duped with fake passports, hundreds of thousands of women were bought and sold every year, many of them thrown into a world economy to which they were, because of their Communist upbringings, woefully unprepared and incapable of understanding. Now Trump isn’t, yet, implicated in the sex trade aspect of human trafficking, I can concede that. However, there is quite a vast market for illegal immigrants to do undocumented work, and [Trump profited mightily from this aspect of the global trade in human beings via his modelling agency.](https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136447/trumps-modeling-agency-virtual-sweatshop-hired-undocumented-immigrants) But, yes, the women our current President was pussy-grabbing, banging, and discarding in the 1990s were not prostitutes, they were sex slaves, raised as Communists in closed communist societies, thrown into the global market. Big difference, and ignorance fought. I appreciate you asking for clarification, **ckalli1998**. - Hell, it even formed the backdrop case for Season 2 of _The Wire_, featuring my favorite character of the series, poor, doomed Frank Sobotka. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2398 "2017-03-12T16:17:45Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > What about the vile statements made about conservatives by your colleagues on this board? Are those okay?:mad: Which ones specifically bothered you? The reason I ask is that we have a history on this board of Conservatives claiming things were said and being all butthurt about things they cannot give any proof of when called on it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2399 "2017-03-12T17:12:46Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ok, the New Kid is now dominating TWO threads with no ignorance being fought. The hamster called: he wants his wheel back! He’s an honors college student. That’s a _huge_ amount of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2400 "2017-03-12T17:15:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Actually, I am going to give **ckalli** credit for making me realize I was being completely unfair to the women I blithely, and wrongly, called “Eastern European whores”. Being born in 1998 (I guess?), CK is too much of a child to remember that the sex trafficking from post-Communist countries of Eastern Europe was so endemic that it constituted a [“distinct wave in the sex trade”](http://www.rferl.org/a/1060878.html)\*. > > Forcibly kidnapped or duped with fake passports, hundreds of thousands of women were bought and sold every year, many of them thrown into a world economy to which they were, because of their Communist upbringings, woefully unprepared and incapable of understanding. > > Now Trump isn’t, yet, implicated in the sex trade aspect of human trafficking, I can concede that. However, there is quite a vast market for illegal immigrants to do undocumented work, and [Trump profited mightily from this aspect of the global trade in human beings via his modelling agency.](https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136447/trumps-modeling-agency-virtual-sweatshop-hired-undocumented-immigrants) > > But, yes, the women our current President was pussy-grabbing, banging, and discarding in the 1990s were not prostitutes, they were sex slaves, raised as Communists in closed communist societies, thrown into the global market. Big difference, and ignorance fought. I appreciate you asking for clarification, **ckalli1998**. > > - Hell, it even formed the backdrop case for Season 2 of _The Wire_, featuring my favorite character of the series, poor, doomed Frank Sobotka. I get that you’re not a fan of Communists and all, neither am I, but you still haven’t provided any reliable sourcing that Ivana and Melania were raised as Communists. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=121)