# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1237
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24725 "2018-08-30T13:27:42Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Indeed. So **FavreCo** claims to have a massive “bank account”. What are interest-bearing savings accounts paying at these days? Less than 2%? How did he get rich in a year and a bit on 1.9% returns? > > OK, so maybe by “bank account” he actually means investment in some kind of equity-based mutual fund. According to sources I’ve read, the one-year return on a S & P 500-based index fund is just over 20%, vs. a ten-year annualized return of a bit over 10%. Not bad indeed, but 20% all by itself doesn’t get one from non-massive to massive. Which investor ends up with the greater amount: the one who gets 10% returns per year over ten years, or the one who gets 20% after one year? > > He is, of course, full of shit no matter how you slice it. > > Yeah, I know, waste of time, feeding the troll, yadda yadda. That’s fine, I’m done here. I’m sure massive means he got a job somehow in the last year and has $200 or so. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24726 "2018-08-30T13:31:18Z")
He got a 3.1x surcharge driving his Uber passenger 67 miles. _Rolling_ in it! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24727 "2018-08-30T13:45:48Z")
I was thinking he found a quarter when his mom made him clean his room. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24728 "2018-08-30T13:55:46Z")
The interesting thing about **FavreCo** isn’t his posts, but his posting pattern. If anybody were paid to come to the SDMB as a troll, then it would be **FavreCo**. That being said I think **FavreCo** is just a garden variety troll/sock. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24729 "2018-08-30T14:13:22Z")
[Trump makes 67 false claims in 5th-most-dishonest week as president](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html) That’s less than 10 a day. The WaPo has had him at 7 per day over his entire administration and 16 a day during June and July. They have him at over 4,000 through July. By contrast, the Star has him at “only” 2,436 over his first 484 days, or “only” 4.2 per day. The Star obviously has a more restricted definition of false claim. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24730 "2018-08-30T15:03:38Z")
Are y’all bored with the clusterfuck, or what? Will it take some kind of Super Flashy Stupid Egg laid by thump to get this thread back to punching him instead of each other? Well, not to worry–he will soon. That’s one thing we can count on him for. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24731 "2018-08-30T15:16:32Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Trump makes 67 false claims in 5th-most-dishonest week as president](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html) > > That’s less than 10 a day. The WaPo has had him at 7 per day over his entire administration and 16 a day during June and July. They have him at over 4,000 through July. > > By contrast, the Star has him at “only” 2,436 over his first 484 days, or “only” 4.2 per day. The Star obviously has a more restricted definition of false claim. Yet life goes on. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24732 "2018-08-30T15:22:09Z")
Here’s a happy thought… all unicorns and rainbows: ‘Winter is coming’: Allies fear Trump isn’t prepared for gathering legal storm > **[‘Winter is coming’: Allies fear Trump isn’t prepared for gathering legal storm](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/winter-is-coming-allies-fear-trump-isnt-prepared-for-gathering-legal-storm/2018/08/29/b07fc0a6-aba0-11e8-b1da-ff7faa680710_story.html)** > > The president has discussed adding to legal team, including possibly hiring Kushner lawyer Abbe Lowell. > [@](#): > > President Trump’s advisers and allies are increasingly worried that he has neither the staff nor the strategy to protect himself from a possible Democratic takeover of the House, which would empower the opposition party to shower the administration with subpoenas or even pursue impeachment charges. > > Within Trump’s orbit, there is consensus that his current legal team is not equipped to effectively navigate an onslaught of congressional demands, and there has been broad discussion about bringing on new lawyers experienced in white-collar defense and political scandals. > … Ha! As if he would take advice from anyone, no matter who they are or how experienced in defending crooks. However, I’m still looking forward to seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24733 "2018-08-30T15:58:59Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > The ignorance/anger of this post is exactly what will get Trump elected again. You are your own worst enemy. Unhinged and irrational. Care to indicate which statements (outside of the last two sentences which are merely opinion) are incorrect and why? > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Indeed. So **FavreCo** claims to have a massive “bank account”. What are interest-bearing savings accounts paying at these days? Less than 2%? How did he get rich in a year and a bit on 1.9% returns? Who knows maybe he’s Scott Pruitt or some other Trump swamp monster whose getting inside information about Tariffs before they’re announced publicly. > [@j666](#): > > Words have meanings, though, and just like not every lie is perjury (you remember that, don’t you?), not every act of spineless betrayal is treason. But some words have multiple meanings. You are insisting that the legal definition of treason is the only one that exists, but Ann is using the vernacular definition which is simply the act of betraying ones country. Since the straight dope message board isn’t actually a court of law she is perfectly justified in doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24734 "2018-08-30T16:11:12Z")
Take it from someone who has long inhabited FavreCo’s primary board – he is every bit the asshole he appears to be here. And I fear this Chip Dundas dipshit is another member of that same board with a large festering resentment over liberals making him feel small and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24735 "2018-08-30T16:14:24Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Take it from someone who has long inhabited FavreCo’s primary board – he is every bit the asshole he appears to be here. And I fear this Chip Dundas dipshit is another member of that same board with a large festering resentment over **liberals making him feel small and stupid.** This feckless goober doesn’t need Liberals to do that. He’s doing it just fine by himself. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24736 "2018-08-30T16:14:36Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Take it from someone who has long inhabited FavreCo’s primary board – he is every bit the asshole he appears to be here. And I fear this Chip Dundas dipshit is another member of that same board with a large festering resentment over liberals making him feel small and stupid. It’s no surprise that they’re NAMBLA members, but what were you doing there? ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24737 "2018-08-30T16:20:55Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Take it from someone who has long inhabited FavreCo’s primary board – he is every bit the asshole he appears to be here. And I fear this Chip Dundas dipshit is another member of that same board with a large festering resentment over liberals making him feel small and stupid. You successfully called someone an asshole, a dipshit and stupid all in one post. A quality pit poster. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24738 "2018-08-30T16:38:35Z")
Trump is now stripping citizenship from people who where born via midwife close to the border. When will it end? > **[Trump Administration Is Trying to Systematically Strip Citizenship From Many...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/trump-administration-trying-to-strip-citizenship-from-americans-born-near-mexico-border.html?via=homepage_taps_top)** > > They're detaining Americans with American birth certificates. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24739 "2018-08-30T16:47:43Z")
Had this one been done yet? [Inspector General for the Government Services Administration says Turmp was personally involved with keeping the FBI headquarters building right where it was: across the street from his hotel. Oh, and everyone else was told to say he wasn’t.](http://fortune.com/2018/08/28/trump-fbi-headquarters-inspector-general-report/) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24740 "2018-08-30T16:57:14Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Had this one been done yet? > > [Inspector General for the Government Services Administration says Turmp was personally involved with keeping the FBI headquarters building right where it was: across the street from his hotel. Oh, and everyone else was told to say he wasn’t.](http://fortune.com/2018/08/28/trump-fbi-headquarters-inspector-general-report/) It says in your link that the decision had already been made, but that they may have lied about whether or not there was a discussion with Trump (after the decision had already been made). I.e., he would probably have tried to get them to keep it where it was, corruptly, except that they already had decided to do so anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24741 "2018-08-30T16:57:57Z")
> [@Skara\_Brae](#): > > Trump is now stripping citizenship from people who where born via midwife close to the border. > [@Slate](#): > > \*\*y claiming their birth certificates and other birth documents are fraudulent. Has he demanded to see their long forms yet? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24742 "2018-08-30T17:02:24Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > You successfully called someone an asshole, a dipshit and stupid all in one post. A quality pit poster. Actually, that’s pretty damn tame. Hardly qualifies as a pit post at all. You want a a classic pit post, try Cervaise’s [scathing harangue on telemarketers](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=51270). Or Sampiro’s thread about the [fury his mother and sister roused in him](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=326481). Meantime, someone in the Trump administration saw fit to respond to an FOIA request on a Democratic candidate in Virginia [by immediately releasing her _ **unredacted** _](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/ex-cia-officer-running-for-congress-says-gop-obtained-her-unredacted-personnel-file-with-sensitive-information/2018/08/29/453b4878-ab97-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.9bb84b59a4dd) SF-86 to Paul Ryan’s Super-PAC. Said PAC is apparently shopping the information around. Never mind that it is vanishingly rare to release the SF-86, doing so unredacted means that things like her SSN are now available to the public. Meantime, her campaign filed an FOIA last December for her own employment records, which they still have not received. The FOIA filed by the Republicans was responded to within 3 weeks. I doubt this is happenstance. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24743 "2018-08-30T17:10:30Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Actually, that’s pretty damn tame. Hardly qualifies as a pit post at all. You want a a classic pit post, try Cervaise’s [scathing harangue on telemarketers](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=51270). Or Sampiro’s thread about the [fury his mother and sister roused in him](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=326481). > > Meantime, someone in the Trump administration saw fit to respond to an FOIA request on a Democratic candidate in Virginia [by immediately releasing her _ **unredacted** _](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/ex-cia-officer-running-for-congress-says-gop-obtained-her-unredacted-personnel-file-with-sensitive-information/2018/08/29/453b4878-ab97-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.9bb84b59a4dd) SF-86 to Paul Ryan’s Super-PAC. Said PAC is apparently shopping the information around. Never mind that it is vanishingly rare to release the SF-86, doing so unredacted means that things like her SSN are now available to the public. > > Meantime, her campaign filed an FOIA last December for her own employment records, which they still have not received. The FOIA filed by the Republicans was responded to within 3 weeks. > > I doubt this is happenstance. Seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/24744 "2018-08-30T18:08:45Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But some words have multiple meanings. You are insisting that the legal definition of treason is the only one that exists, but Ann is using the vernacular definition which is simply the act of betraying ones country. Since the straight dope message board isn’t actually a court of law she is perfectly justified in doing so. Maybe something got lost in translation, but I was saying that Trumps performance in Helsinki was NOT treason. My point was that the fact that “it wasn’t technically an act of treason” is a really low bar to set when it comes to excusing the behavior of the POTUS. We have the right to expect moral integrity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1236) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1238)