# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1265
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25285 "2018-09-11T19:07:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump went to a 9/11 memorial in Shanksville, PA and the plane landed at Johnstown, PA. He got off the plane, on his way to a solemn memorial service, pumping his fists and grinning because there were supporters at the airport. > [https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1039521537496363009](https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1039521537496363009) That’s his “Going to a rally!” pose. The only time he ever gets off a plane in the US he’s either going to a rally or going on vacation…and he didn’t see any golf carts. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25286 "2018-09-11T19:15:25Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > No, Albert Dente survived. Over Macho Grande? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25287 "2018-09-11T19:19:17Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Over Macho Grande? He’ll never get over Macho Grande. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25288 "2018-09-11T19:23:51Z")
This may be the wrong thread, but [a rare recording of JFK shows him behaving much like DJT](https://youtu.be/VLsKmk8WaSM?t=6m23s). . ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25289 "2018-09-11T20:40:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Trump supporter believes thing that is the exact opposite of reality. In other news: fire hot, water wet, bears poop al fresco. Film at 11.” What was that “thing” recently? Don’t believe all the things you will be seeing and hearing because fake news? Something like that. “Just remember what you’re seeing & what you’re reading is not what’s happening” – Trump during VFW Natl Convention speech [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mbvd/trump-veterans-seeing-reading-not-real-george-orwell-1984](https://t.co/KzN3S8ipMI) “DON’T BELIEVE THE CRAP YOU HEAR FROM FAKE NEWS” [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2s93Ze4CY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2s93Ze4CY) ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25290 "2018-09-11T20:47:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Don’t believe all the things you will be seeing and hearing because fake news? > > Something like that. Right, if you watch the fake news then they won’t tell you that the Trump Administration response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico was [an incredible unsung success](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/weather/trump-calls-puerto-rico-response-an-incredible-unsung-success/2018/09/11/40c5c6c2-b5fd-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_video.html?utm_term=.b8d6258e8b88). One of the best hurricane responses ever, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25291 "2018-09-11T23:16:01Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Right, if you watch the fake news then they won’t tell you that the Trump Administration response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico was [an incredible unsung success](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/weather/trump-calls-puerto-rico-response-an-incredible-unsung-success/2018/09/11/40c5c6c2-b5fd-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_video.html?utm_term=.b8d6258e8b88). One of the best hurricane responses ever, in fact. Chris Murphy, Senate candidate from Connecticut tweeted > [@@ChrisMurphyCT](#): > > I mean this seriously, not as a political dig. > > If you’re in Florence’s path and considering riding it out, your President just said that a hurricane response where 3,000 die is his measure of success. > > Get out of there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25292 "2018-09-12T01:28:25Z")
Brutal! Send him an invitation, I like his style. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25293 "2018-09-12T03:04:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So you’re more concerned that the facts \*got out \*than about what the facts _are_. > > Gotcha. :rolleyes: I am extremely concerned over what the facts are which is why I want everything declassified and everything released. However, its become clear the facts are not what the leaks by the FBI say they are, nevermind the leaks are unethical and illegal and violate 4th amendment rights. They were done to help spark a special prosecutor (insurance policy) to keep the President in check, comb through his financial dealings going back decades because we all know there is a there, there. But look, I get it, Russia and the election is like 9/11. I’m sorry for your loss. God Bless Hillary and fuck the 4th amendment. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25294 "2018-09-12T03:10:31Z")
Shit, man, you’re not even _wrong_! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25295 "2018-09-12T03:13:50Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I am extremely concerned over what the facts are which is why I want everything declassified and everything released. However, its become clear the facts are not what the leaks by the FBI say they are, nevermind the leaks are unethical and illegal and violate 4th amendment rights. They were done to help spark a special prosecutor (insurance policy) to keep the President in check, comb through his financial dealings going back decades because we all know there is a there, there. > > But look, I get it, Russia and the election is like 9/11. I’m sorry for your loss. God Bless Hillary and fuck the 4th amendment. The fourth amendment wasn’t abused any more in this instance than it is 100 times a day in cases involving drug dealing or bank fraud. (If you means the FISA warrant. If you actually mean “leaks,” then I have no idea what you’re talking about.) As for “our loss,” it’s not Hillary. No one is crying that Hillary didn’t win. We’re upset that Trump did, and what that means for our country. And the world. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25296 "2018-09-12T03:18:30Z")
Galumphing along in their quest to make this planet somehow prolapse, the Environmental Potato Agency has been listening to too much Pat [Methane-](https://www.wsj.com/articles/epa-to-roll-back-obama-era-methane-rules-1536628368)y lately. Not too surprised if this administration already set a record for undoing the most policies of a previous president. And why not give that [atrazine](https://www.ewg.org/childrenshealth/22222/epa-ignores-science-dismisses-risks-children-s-health-syngenta-s-atrazine#.W5iCufYnbXQ) stuff a break too. > [@](#): > > Pregnancy and early childhood are the most vulnerable periods for atrazine exposure. Atrazine disrupts the nerve and hormone systems, impacting one’s brain, behavior and crucial hormones such as estrogen, testosterone, and dopamine. > [@](#): > > Yet when the EPA published its latest review of atrazine, new research was discarded, putting the interests of pesticide manufacturers ahead of human health. Overall, the agency: > > ``` > Ignored more than 10 human epidemiological studies showing human health harm from atrazine in drinking water; > Ignored the data showing that atrazine can change brain function and behavior; > Dismissed the children’s health impacts from atrazine; and > Discounted the potential cancer risks of atrazine. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25297 "2018-09-12T03:18:44Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Don’t be a fucking idiot. > > I can’t stand Trump or his administration, but this sort of PR management at televised speeches is standard operating procedure in politics. If everyone does it, **and we know they do it** , then it’s stupid to focus on one particular side doing it. There are plenty of things to blast the Trump administration for; unfortunately, too many people focus on the unimportant shit like this. [My bold] This is just my anecdote, but there are Trump supporters who don’t know this. I was arguing on Facebook with multiple Trumpsters on Trump’s first day in office when he was bragging about himself and the inauguration in front of the CIA’s Memorial Wall. I said I thought it disrespectful and had read that CIA officials thought so, too. “Oh, yeah”, one supporter replied, “then why were all those people there cheering for him?” Ummm…Trump brought those people with him to cheer. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25298 "2018-09-12T03:24:55Z")
Oh, is the FBI leaking information? That’s alarming! Does anyone have a credible source of news where I could read up on that? Golly. They sure don’t seem to make FBIs like they used to! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25299 "2018-09-12T09:53:40Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I am extremely concerned over what the facts are which is why I want everything declassified and everything released. However, its become clear the facts are not what the leaks by the FBI say they are, nevermind the leaks are unethical and illegal and violate 4th amendment rights. They were done to help spark a special prosecutor (insurance policy) to keep the President in check, comb through his financial dealings going back decades because we all know there is a there, there. > > But look, I get it, Russia and the election is like 9/11. I’m sorry for your loss. God Bless Hillary and fuck the 4th amendment. > [@elucidator](#): > > Shit, man, you’re not even _wrong_! Standard right-wing propaganda practice these days: start with a false statement (“the FBI is leaking information”) then extrapolate and spin from that (“the FBI is leaking _false_ information”) and again (“the FBI is leaking false information _illegally and unconstitutionally_”) and again (“The FBI is leaking false information illegally and unconstitutionally _as part of a conspiracy with the Special Prosecutor to keep the President in check_”) and eventually wrap up with a conclusion that owes nothing to reality (“_Therefore this is all a witch hunt and there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing_”). It’s a tried-and-true method; it’s how we got eight Benghazi investigations, after all. Never mind that it is blatantly false, goes against the actual facts of the matter and is internally contradictory (for example, if the FBI is leaking false information, how can it be a 4th Amendment violation?) - it’s a good story that people want to believe and reality (and the country) be damned. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25300 "2018-09-12T12:41:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Standard right-wing propaganda practice these days: start with a false statement (“the FBI is leaking information”) then extrapolate and spin from that (“the FBI is leaking _false_ information”) and again (“the FBI is leaking false information _illegally and unconstitutionally_”) and again (“The FBI is leaking false information illegally and unconstitutionally _as part of a conspiracy with the Special Prosecutor to keep the President in check_”) and eventually wrap up with a conclusion that owes nothing to reality (“_Therefore this is all a witch hunt and there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing_”). It’s a tried-and-true method; it’s how we got eight Benghazi investigations, after all. Never mind that it is blatantly false, goes against the actual facts of the matter and is internally contradictory (for example, if the FBI is leaking false information, how can it be a 4th Amendment violation?) - it’s a good story that people want to believe and reality (and the country) be damned. Note two thump rules from post #25275 above: > [@](#): > > **Crisis is a powerful weapon — fire it indiscriminately**. “Forget planning,” a source said. “Wake up every morning, survey the battlefield, let your gut instinct lead you to a crisis to exploit, bet that no one else can thrive in the chaos the way you can. Ratchet up the pressure until everyone else’s pipes burst.” > > **You can create your own truth**. Just keep repeating it. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25301 "2018-09-12T13:18:10Z")
I, for one, certainly feel more informed after watching Trump warn about Florence… Did you know Mother Nature is bad? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XZ4w3YYByFA/hqdefault.jpg "Hurricane Florence Is Fast Approaching - A Message from President Donald J. Trump") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ4w3YYByFA) Do yourselves a favor and don’t read the comments… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25302 "2018-09-12T13:27:40Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > I, for one, certainly feel more informed after watching Trump warn about Florence… Did you know Mother Nature is bad? > > [https://youtu.be/XZ4w3YYByFA](https://youtu.be/XZ4w3YYByFA) > > Do yourselves a favor and don’t read the comments… Those Russian bots are good! J/k. I know those are real thumpists. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25303 "2018-09-12T13:50:23Z")
Of course this needs to be the biggest and worst storm ever, because everything is the biggest and bestest when it happens to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25304 "2018-09-12T14:24:23Z")
Okay, when I said “water wet” above it was intended to be a hyperbolic statement of the blatantly obvious, not a recommendation for a Presidential talking point. > [@President Stupidhead](#): > > It’s tremendously big and tremendously wet, tremendous amounts of water On the plus side, that much is at least a truthful statement so we have to give him credit for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1264) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1266)