# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1272
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25425 "2018-09-15T16:28:36Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump is reportedly upset about old video footage showing him throwing rolls of paper towels at first-responders in Puerto Rico “With luck the modified T-shirt cannon will be ready for Hurricane Florence, but we’re still not sure what color confetti to add to the paper towels.” CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25426 "2018-09-15T16:38:02Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > I do I do not have a degree in nor have I ever studied statistics but I know that there is no way that this rate can continue indefinitely. … and his asshole fascist knob gobbling base loves it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25427 "2018-09-15T16:41:18Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It’s a euphemism for “The President of the United States has the attention span of a bug.” Don’t insult bugs like that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25428 "2018-09-15T16:42:47Z")
“I don’t talk the way I am quoted.” - The Very Stable Genius ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25429 "2018-09-15T16:44:28Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump is reportedly upset about old video footage showing him throwing rolls of paper towels at first-responders in Puerto Rico > [@](#): > > “They had these beautiful, soft towels. Very good towels,” Trump said during an interview with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in October. “And I came in and there was a crowd of a lot of people. And they were screaming and they were loving everything. I was having fun, they were having fun. They said, 'Throw 'em to me! Throw ‘em to me Mr. President!’” That sounds like a grand old time. Why would he be upset about video of an appreciative crowd having fun with their beloved President? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25430 "2018-09-15T16:50:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > At this point I think we, along with the media, would save an enormous amount of time and effort by simply flipping the script. Instead of calling out lies, we simply note when something the administration says or writes is in the general vicinity of the truth. The null hypothesis is “a pack of scurrilous, insultingly blatant lies” until positively proven otherwise. > If journalists did that they’d have 10 minute long workdays. The problem has been, the “press” and especially Fucks News, keep repeating his bullshit, and not enough have the guts to actually call it lies. “The dumb fuck claimed” “The fat bastard misspoke” “The prick said” No, he fucking lied. And then there’s the other ones that lie for him, like Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25431 "2018-09-15T17:06:03Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That sounds like a grand old time. Why would he be upset about video of an appreciative crowd having fun with their beloved President? The thing is at some level he is right, he was just having fun with a crowd who were probably happy to get a chance to see the president. If it was Obama that did this and Fox News was trying to turn it into a fiasco I’d be vigorously defending him. But it ain’t Obama, and the more bad press he gets the better it is for the country, so fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25432 "2018-09-15T17:06:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > “I don’t talk the way I am quoted.” > > - The Very Stable Genius Thank God for the Irish… Profile for [Very Stable Genius](https://www.skysports.com/racing/form-profiles/horse/1004974/very-stable-genius) ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25433 "2018-09-15T17:10:11Z")
That’s how I ask for my towels, too: “Throw them to me!” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25434 "2018-09-15T17:19:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The problem has been, the “press” and especially Fucks News, keep repeating his bullshit, and not enough have the guts to actually call it lies. > > “The dumb fuck claimed” > “The fat bastard misspoke” > “The prick said” > > No, he fucking lied. > > And then there’s the other ones that lie for him, like Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs. I know. And the problem is, the “liberal” media behaves the same way as the Democrats do ; they try desperately to keep playing by the rules, stick to ethical principles, refuse any burnt bridges. What they _should_ do is remind the administration (and, by extension, every other would-be fucker out there) the truth of the adage that one shouldn’t pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel. The truth is that, while President Pants-on-head keeps whining that everyone and their mother is so very unfair to him, the media is still stuck on 2 and quivers at the thought of turning it up to 3. They should turn it to 11 and never look back. Usher in the reign of the imperial press. That’s the one thing the Nazis and Fuck News got right. They abandoned civility some decades ago (even though they’re wont to drape themselves in it). I’m not saying the mainstream press should be partial the way the conservative media is - but they should absolutely take the gloves off and burn them. Answer fuck you with fuck you right back (all the while remaining open to a normalizing back of relations when the other side comes back, hat in hand). That goes for politicians as well. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25435 "2018-09-15T17:19:40Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The thing is at some level he is right, he was just having fun with a crowd who were probably happy to get a chance to see the president. If it was Obama that did this and Fox News was trying to turn it into a fiasco I’d be vigorously defending him. > > But it ain’t Obama, and the more bad press he gets the better it is for the country, so fuck him. I get what you’re saying. But Trump brought this on himself, because: the footage of Obama playfully tossing paper towels would have been part of the larger coverage, of him walking through the devastation, talking to survivors, visiting hospitals, listening to local officials. Trump left out all that part – the part that required empathy and understanding…because he ain’t got those. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25436 "2018-09-15T17:28:24Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The problem has been, the “press” and especially Fucks News, keep repeating his bullshit, and not enough have the guts to actually call it lies. > > “The dumb fuck claimed” > “The fat bastard misspoke” > “The prick said” > > No, he fucking lied. > > And then there’s the other ones that lie for him, like Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs. The last paragraph of Bob Woodward’s book **Fear** , which ends with the story of John Dowd resigning as Trump’s lawyer —- “But in the man and his presidency Dowd had seen the tragic flaw. In the political back and forth, the evasions, the denials, the tweeting, the obscuring, crying “Fake News”, the indignation, Trump had one overriding problem that Dowd knew but could not bring himself to say to the president: “You’re a fucking liar”. The End ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25437 "2018-09-15T18:22:40Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The last paragraph of Bob Woodward’s book **Fear** , which ends with the story of John Dowd resigning as Trump’s lawyer —- > > “But in the man and his presidency Dowd had seen the tragic flaw. In the political back and forth, the evasions, the denials, the tweeting, the obscuring, crying “Fake News”, the indignation, Trump had one overriding problem that Dowd knew but could not bring himself to say to the president: “You’re a fucking liar”. > > The End I know it’s a cliché by now, but I don’t think there’s a better example than DJT to illustrate the classical psych paper “On Bullshit”, which formally established the distinction between lying (in which the liar is aware of the truth and deliberately tries to hide or obfuscate it for reasons X Y or Z) and bullshitting (in which the bullshitter has zero care for what the actual truth of the matter is and may or may not even know what it is). Facts are utterly irrelevant to Trump. Appearances and representations are the thing and the whole of the thing to him. It’s actually quite unnerving, because I used to think the same of GWB and Cheney and them ; but the real thing is orders of magnitude more pants-shitting scary. It also reminds me of my ex-. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25438 "2018-09-15T18:26:35Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The thing is at some level he is right, he was just having fun with a crowd who were probably happy to get a chance to see the president. If it was Obama that did this and Fox News was trying to turn it into a fiasco I’d be vigorously defending him. > > But it ain’t Obama, and the more bad press he gets the better it is for the country, so fuck him. Did you see that crowd? No one was jumping up to play field the paper towels; they just weren’t letting them fall to the ground. Trump was just tossing a gold coin out the carriage window after running over a child. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25439 "2018-09-15T18:42:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The problem has been, the “press” and especially Fucks News, keep repeating his bullshit, and not enough have the guts to actually call it lies. > > “The dumb fuck claimed” > “The fat bastard misspoke” > “The prick said” > > No, he fucking lied. > > And then there’s the other ones that lie for him, like Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs. > [@Kobal2](#): > > At this point I think we, along with the media, would save an enormous amount of time and effort by simply flipping the script. Instead of calling out lies, we simply note when something the administration says or writes is in the general vicinity of the truth. The null hypothesis is “a pack of scurrilous, insultingly blatant lies” until positively proven otherwise. > If journalists did that they’d have 10 minute long workdays. JOURNALISTS _do_ do that. Unfortunately, in the Venn Diagram comprising journalists and television news personalities, the region of intersection of those two subsets is negligible. If it exists at all. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25440 "2018-09-15T19:06:19Z")
Allen Weisselberg, longtime CFO of Trump Organization, has flipped; top bagman Mike Cohen has flipped; Paul Manafort (key link to Russian mob?) has flipped; et cetera. Pundits are saying that, to maximize American chaos, Putin will flip against Trump when the time is ripe, the Trump-puppet having outlived his usefulness. The stable genius’ famous book was ghostwritten, and the ghost-writer has turned against Trump. Right-hand man Steve Bannon has been axed. Trump is left with only the senescent bombast Rudy Giuliani as side-kick. Top aides and cabinet officials are out. Those remaining talk to Woodward, or write anonymous “Trump Resistance” pieces. Tiffany, and perhaps even Melania, are fed up with the dotard. His only real supporters, besides moronic rednecks(\*), are Eric and Donald Junior. Even Ivanka and Jared may flip when all comes crumbling down. Contrast the loyalty this buffoon gets with that of real despots. Top Mafia Godfathers had lieutenants willing to take on suicidal missions. Top underlings of the moustached man stayed with him till the end, eating cyanide when he did. Yet Trump, “the greatest ever,” falls into oblivion with Melania laughing at him. Rudy hangs on hopelessly, just hoping that he’ll get an office at FauxNews and his chance to grope the hot Foxettes. What a pathetic end for this amoral sociopath. (Yes, I know it’s not completely over. 38% of America are still shitting their pants in eagerness to push the Trump button in 2020. :smack: ) _ **Has there ever been such a laughably unsuitable tyrant as this utter nincompoop?** _ I don’t count Kings like England’s Edward II who got their power from birth; I mean a tyrant who propelled himself to the top via intrigue, force, or politics. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25441 "2018-09-15T19:28:22Z")
> [@j666](#): > > …Trump was just tossing a gold coin out the carriage window after running over a child. Excellent, Sir. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25442 "2018-09-15T22:28:41Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Allen Weisselberg, longtime CFO of Trump Organization, has flipped; top bagman Mike Cohen has flipped; Paul Manafort (key link to Russian mob?) has flipped; et cetera. Pundits are saying that, to maximize American chaos, Putin will flip against Trump when the time is ripe, the Trump-puppet having outlived his usefulness. The stable genius’ famous book was ghostwritten, and the ghost-writer has turned against Trump. Right-hand man Steve Bannon has been axed. Trump is left with only the senescent bombast Rudy Giuliani as side-kick. > > Top aides and cabinet officials are out. Those remaining talk to Woodward, or write anonymous “Trump Resistance” pieces. Tiffany, and perhaps even Melania, are fed up with the dotard. > > His only real supporters, besides moronic rednecks(\*), are Eric and Donald Junior. Even Ivanka and Jared may flip when all comes crumbling down. > > Contrast the loyalty this buffoon gets with that of real despots. Top Mafia Godfathers had lieutenants willing to take on suicidal missions. Top underlings of the moustached man stayed with him till the end, eating cyanide when he did. Yet Trump, “the greatest ever,” falls into oblivion with Melania laughing at him. Rudy hangs on hopelessly, just hoping that he’ll get an office at FauxNews and his chance to grope the hot Foxettes. > > What a pathetic end for this amoral sociopath. (Yes, I know it’s not completely over. 38% of America are still shitting their pants in eagerness to push the Trump button in 2020. :smack: ) > > _ **Has there ever been such a laughably unsuitable tyrant as this utter nincompoop?** _ I don’t count Kings like England’s Edward II who got their power from birth; I mean a tyrant who propelled himself to the top via intrigue, force, or politics. Whenever iDJiT praises some dictator like Putin or Duterte for being a “strong leader,” I think how those guys would smash his pussy ass into the ground like a tank. You think you’re a tough guy, too? Those guys assassinate their enemies and dare the world to do something about it. You can’t even fire anyone. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25443 "2018-09-15T22:32:50Z")
As President Obama pointed out, he did fire Gary Busey. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25444 "2018-09-15T22:37:01Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > Whenever iDJiT praises some dictator like Putin or Duterte for being a “strong leader,” I think how those guys would smash his pussy ass into the ground like a tank. You think you’re a tough guy, too? Those guys assassinate their enemies and dare the world to do something about it. You can’t even fire anyone. [Another Likely Kremlin Poisoning](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-pussy-riot-germany/anti-kremlin-activist-arrives-in-berlin-for-medical-treatment-bild-idUSKCN1LV0P6?il=0). (Reuters) > [@](#): > > Prominent anti-Kremlin activist Pyotr Verzilov arrived in Berlin on a special medical transport flight late on Saturday after falling ill and being hospitalized in Moscow last week, German newspaper Bild reported on Saturday. He’s lost his sight and his ability to walk and speak, according to members of Pussy Riot. Not really tough guys so much as ruthless thugs who will do anything to stay in power. And our current occupant of the Oval Office loves them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1271) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1273)