# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1285
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25685 "2018-09-21T23:54:51Z")
One cannot be a certain thing and not be that certain thing at the same time. Those ignoramuses already had validation…from other bigots. Regardless of Fox’s existence, they vote for the person who, in their hate-filled little minds is more like them than the other candidate. See: hold your nose and vote for the Mormon instead of Muslim Obama. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25686 "2018-09-21T23:55:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We need a mainstream center-left movement, which probably won’t happen until a massive economic collapse. But when it does, it has to represent a kind of rational dictatorship in which the right wing is investigated and completely disenfranchised. We can’t continue living with the bacteria we call ‘conservatives’ or ‘republicans’. But being the merciful people we are, we will allow them the opportunity to be reeducated and to experience a truth based on fact. But there can be no more equivocation: the days of moderation are OVER! > > JAIL!!! Is this some kind of performance art or have your synapses finally snapped and collapsed into a mash? I can almost hear the frantic giggling in every one of your last five posts or so. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25687 "2018-09-22T00:00:09Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh God, seriously, fuck Hurricane Ditka. He would vote for Adolph Hitler if he had an R by his name and everyone here fucking knows it. > > I’m telling you fuckers: there are no good Republicans. > > One day, when the economy is collapsed, maybe some Trump tards might get it and vote for something other than Trump (or preferably, not at all). But for the time being, this is the shit stain we’re left with. > > NO GOOD REPUBLICANS!!! > > NO GOOD REPUBLICANS!!! > > NO GOOD NAZIS!!! > > NO GOOD REPUBLICANS!!! > > One day…you’ll learn. No good Internet drama queens who post in all caps. You’re as nutty as a Trump turd, son. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25688 "2018-09-22T00:00:36Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Is this some kind of performance art or have your synapses finally snapped and collapsed into a mash? I can almost hear the frantic giggling in every one of your last five posts or so. > [@zoid](#): > > I think now he’s just funnin’ us. Hey, America First! Right On! [The Trump administration says global slavery and child labor are bad — for American businesses](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/21/17886464/trump-labor-department-forced-labor-slavery) > [@](#): > > In the US Department of Labor’s 2018 report on modern-day slavery and child labor, released Thursday, Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta framed the practice as an economic issue, rather than the urgent human rights problem global leaders have long considered it. > [@](#): > > “American workers cannot compete with producers abroad who use child labor or forced labor, provide unsafe working conditions, or do not pay workers what they are legally owed,” Acosta wrote in the report. “These reprehensible practices undercut the higher standards we maintain to protect the well-being of our workforce here at home.” That Acosta eventually acknowledged the horrors of modern-day slavery and child labour more as an afterthought totally underscores their focus on this issue as being an economic rather than humanitarian concern. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25689 "2018-09-22T00:02:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > One cannot be a certain thing and not be that certain thing at the same time. Those ignoramuses already had validation…from other bigots. Regardless of Fox’s existence, they vote for the person who, in their hate-filled little minds is more like them than the other candidate. See: hold your nose and vote for the Mormon instead of Muslim Obama. I honestly don’t believe the Trump phenomena couldn’t exist without a collection of news sources that allow trumpists to believe in a literally false alternate reality, isolated from real news sources. Fox is a lynchpin of such media. And I believe Trump agrees with me. He crows the phrase “fake news!” a _lot_, and that phrase means “the only news source you should listen to is Fox News”. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25690 "2018-09-22T00:09:06Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Hey, America First! Right On! [The Trump administration says global slavery and child labor are bad — for American businesses](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/21/17886464/trump-labor-department-forced-labor-slavery) > > That Acosta eventually acknowledged the horrors of modern-day slavery and child labour more as an afterthought totally underscores their focus on this issue as being an economic rather than humanitarian concern. So what? I already knew that Trump is a disgusting fuckhead, but hysterical nuttery and calls for despotic countermeasures should NOT be excusable answers to this mess. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25691 "2018-09-22T00:15:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > No. I’m saying that Fox isn’t the reason for it. Hate and bigotry and stupidity and dishonesty made their rounds just fine during presidential campaigns long before Fox existed. All Fox’s news section does is reflect what their viewers already believe. Did they help? Of course, but they weren’t the reason. They’re just another festering symptom of the root problem. Hate etc. which will always exist, was becoming something you kept to yourself. Until recently. Fox news validates and reinforces something that people were not sure they should express publicly. Things like “I’m poor because of the Mexicans.” Or “I can’t get a good paying factory job because of the Canadians.” Deep down, I think people weren’t sure that it _wasn’t_ their own fault. By giving airtime to people like Hannity and Limbaugh they validate the worst in people. Fox also is constantly trotting out the next bogeyman, while praising the real problem that they are certainly more than minorly complicit in. I’ve said this before. I can ask someone if they watch Fox news, and if they say yes, I know their views on most issues. With 90% accuracy. I certainly couldn’t say the same thing about someone that gets their news from ABC. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25692 "2018-09-22T00:15:07Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > \*\*ut hysterical nuttery and calls for despotic countermeasures should NOT be excusable answers to this mess. Meaning, you think Asahi is serious, like, about re-education camps, and stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25693 "2018-09-22T00:19:56Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > Hate etc. which will always exist, was becoming something you kept to yourself. Until recently. Fox news validates and reinforces something that people were not sure they should express publicly. Things like “I’m poor because of the Mexicans.” Or “I can’t get a good paying factory job because of the Canadians.” Deep down, I think people weren’t sure that it _wasn’t_ their own fault. By giving airtime to people like Hannity and Limbaugh they validate the worst in people. Fox also is constantly trotting out the next bogeyman, while praising the real problem that they are certainly more than minorly complicit in. > > I’ve said this before. I can ask someone if they watch Fox news, and if they say yes, I know their views on most issues. With 90% accuracy. I certainly couldn’t say the same thing about someone that gets their news from ABC. I’ll turn 60 shortly. Your post does not describe American politics over the decades I’ve witnessed. With Fox, they’re getting narratives they agree with. Before Fox, they were getting narratives they dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25694 "2018-09-22T00:20:58Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I honestly don’t believe the Trump phenomena couldn’t exist without a collection of news sources that allow trumpists to believe in a literally false alternate reality, isolated from real news sources. Fox is a lynchpin of such media. > > And I believe Trump agrees with me. He crows the phrase “fake news!” a _lot_, and that phrase means “the only news source you should listen to is Fox News”. YES, YES, YES. THIS. Fox keeps this pot boiling. Without Fox thump would not have a legitimate public platform. Except his tweets. There have always been bigots and anarchists. But you didn’t find their line being sold by a major news organization. No, you didn’t. The ubiquity and immediacy of social media makes it possible to spew this crap around the world 24/7 with no checks or boundaries. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25695 "2018-09-22T00:24:39Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Meaning, you think Asahi is serious, like, about re-education camps, and stuff? Frankly, I can tell anymore, but he was hyperbolic all throughout this long thread, and the last posts by him lead me to think that he has totally snapped by now. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25696 "2018-09-22T00:24:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’ll turn 60 shortly. Your post does not describe American politics over the decades I’ve witnessed. With Fox, they’re getting narratives they agree with. Before Fox, they were getting narratives they dismissed. I’m 56. They may have been getting narratives they dismissed, but they weren’t getting spoon fed false narratives nightly. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25697 "2018-09-22T00:41:47Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Frankly, I can tell anymore, but he was hyperbolic all throughout this long thread, and the last posts by him lead me to think that he has totally snapped by now. True enough - he _did_ kinda ramp it up, a little.😛 I forgot to address this: > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > So what? I already knew that Trump is a disgusting fuckhead… So you’re sick and tired of hearing about President Airline Puke Bag being a disgusting fuckhead? Really? (Sure, I’ll grant that my link wasn’t the most news-breaking of links, but, still…) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25698 "2018-09-22T00:51:21Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > True enough - he _did_ kinda ramp it up, a little.😛 > > I forgot to address this: > > So you’re sick and tired of hearing about President Airline Puke Bag being a disgusting fuckhead? Really? > (Sure, I’ll grant that my link wasn’t the most news-breaking of links, but, still…) OF COURSE I’m sicked and tired of all the multitudes of fuckups Trumpo does, like every thinking person on this planet. But I haven’t stopped to care, and I noticed the disgusting nature of Trump’s thought process (you could, btw, do with a 1975 digital watch) once more proved. But that’s still no excuse to go all overboard in reaction, suggesting non-democratic means to fight back. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25699 "2018-09-22T00:58:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We need a mainstream center-left movement, which probably won’t happen until a massive economic collapse. But when it does, it has to represent a kind of rational dictatorship in which the right wing is investigated and completely disenfranchised. We can’t continue living with the bacteria we call ‘conservatives’ or ‘republicans’. But being the merciful people we are, we will allow them the opportunity to be reeducated and to experience a truth based on fact. But there can be no more equivocation: the days of moderation are OVER! > > JAIL!!! Dude. If we turn the country into a dictatorship, it really isn’t America anymore, and we all lose. We’re talking about people here. Humans. Maybe conservatives need to be clued into a few things, but then maybe there is a way to do that without forcing 1/3 of the country into camps. People get scared; people are vulnerable. Powerful forces play on their weaknesses to manipulate people to their own ends. Your suggestion is just a worse version of what we already have. Buck up. Obama got elected twice, FOX blaring the whole time. We don’t have to become the 4th Reich out of some reactionary response to shitty political ideology, we just have to persuade people to elect better representatives. Your approach just isn’t American. Please reconsider. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25700 "2018-09-22T01:01:50Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m 56. They may have been getting narratives they dismissed, but they weren’t getting spoon fed false narratives nightly. Again, yes. I’m 69 and grew up with Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Eric Sevareid, Frank McGee, Peter Jennings, John Chancellor, hell, even William Buckley. At one time, Cronkite was the most trusted man in America. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25701 "2018-09-22T01:07:26Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Dude. If we turn the country into a dictatorship, it really isn’t America anymore, and we all lose. > > We’re talking about people here. Humans. Maybe conservatives need to be clued into a few things, but then maybe there is a way to do that without forcing 1/3 of the country into camps. People get scared; people are vulnerable. Powerful forces play on their weaknesses to manipulate people to their own ends. Your suggestion is just a worse version of what we already have. > > Buck up. Obama got elected twice, FOX blaring the whole time. We don’t have to become the 4th Reich out of some reactionary response to shitty political ideology, we just have to persuade people to elect better representatives. Your approach just isn’t American. Please reconsider. Obama got elected twice – and all the while the country became more and more authoritarian. Obama was kinda like our last hope to save the America that kinda, sorta existed before our current iteration. This country will have to be remade in some kind of image. It can be remade in the image of Mike Pence and Donald Trump, or something else. You don’t seem to understand that America as we know it is about to become a failed state. We have to offer an alternative, and that means forcing a segment of the population to undergo a rigid militaristic repudiation of their pseudo culture. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25702 "2018-09-22T01:09:28Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > OF COURSE I’m sicked and tired of all the multitudes of fuckups Trumpo does, like every thinking person on this planet. But I haven’t stopped to care, and I noticed the disgusting nature of Trump’s thought process (you could, btw, do with a 1975 digital watch) once more proved. But that’s still no excuse to go all overboard in reaction, suggesting non-democratic means to fight back. Ok sure, if you’re sick and tired of all this crapola, is this thread really the place to hang, where this crapola is being documented? Like, here?: Well, [screw birds,](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/21/trump-administration-poses-new-threat-to-birds-in-allowing-incidental-killings) basically. > [@](#): > > The eagle may be America’s mascot, but being a bird today in the United States is tough. Billions die each year in the maws of domestic cats, or after crashing into power lines or skyscraper windows. But on a large scale, climate change is warping the environment of birds that migrate long distances, such as whooping cranes or Arctic terns. And bald eagles, the nation’s regal avatar, are being struck down by lead poisoning. > > Bird conservationists are now alarmed by a fresh threat – the Trump administration. In a striking new stance on a longstanding law protecting migrating birds, the federal government will essentially allow the “incidental” killing of birds via buildings, energy production and other developments that act as avian death traps. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Again, yes. > > I’m 69 and grew up with Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Eric Sevareid, Frank McGee, Peter Jennings, John Chancellor, hell, even William Buckley. At one time, Cronkite was the most trusted man in America. …Tom Brokaw, Edwin H. Newman, Calvin Trillin, Bill Moyers… Don’t get us started.😛 ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25703 "2018-09-22T01:13:18Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Meaning, you think Asahi is serious, like, about re-education camps, and stuff? You tell me… > [@asahi](#): > > Obama got elected twice – and all the while the country became more and more authoritarian. Obama was kinda like our last hope to save the America that kinda, sorta existed before our current iteration. > > This country will have to be remade in some kind of image. It can be remade in the image of Mike Pence and Donald Trump, or something else. You don’t seem to understand that America as we know it is about to become a failed state. We have to offer an alternative, and that means forcing a segment of the population to undergo a rigid militaristic repudiation of their pseudo culture. Reading this? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25704 "2018-09-22T01:13:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > When the Democrats take over, they need to identify who has voted Republican over the last 15 years and find ways to put them in reeducation camps. They should not be allowed to vote again until they can vote responsibly. Also, they should just send in militias and shut down Fox News and Breitbart once and for all. That’s it. Right wing trolling must be a crime! Jail!!! you’ve officially gone off the rails . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1284) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1286)