# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1288
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25745 "2018-09-22T18:28:32Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > No. I’m saying that Fox isn’t the reason for it. Hate and bigotry and stupidity and dishonesty made their rounds just fine during presidential campaigns long before Fox existed. All Fox’s news section does is reflect what their viewers already believe. …They’re just another festering symptom of the root problem. There have always been stupid ignorant voters but until the rise of cable news and the Internet they had no way to unite. One group of nuts might hate blacks, another hate gooks, another hate Irish. One group might have thought JFK a Papist, another thought he was born in Canada, another that he was a communist, or a child rapist. Another group was most concerned about the green aliens raping their wives and then hiding back in their UFOs. When they went to the voting booth there was no gook-hater or war-against-green-aliens candidate on the ballot. Candidates were effectively vetted by an establishment. And even the notoriously corrupt “establishment” political bosses gave priority to sane governance and continuity. Yes, there were some wingnut groups that gained strength. But to really be a John Bircher, one had to read the _Blue Book_, or _None Dare Call It Treason_ or _A Choice, Not An Echo_. Read a book! Can you imagine how weak a movement the Fox-Trump voting bloc would be if only book readers were invited? :smack: FoxNews may rely on existing stupidity, but it steers and unifies the stupid. The housewives enraged by chem-trails, the workers enraged by not having a union, the workers enraged _because_ of their union, workers who wish their income were high enough to pay income taxes, workers enraged by how high their taxes are, those enraged Obama is half-white, those enraged he’s half-black, those enraged by pussy grabbers, those enraged they can’t grab any pussy … they all come together under the Fox-GOP umbrella. _ **They all agree something’s wrong.** _ What it _is_ that’s wrong hardly matters. For all I know the average American may be smarter now than at any time in the past! But mass media — cable news and Internet — have made the average vote far stupider than it’s ever been. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25746 "2018-09-22T18:40:05Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > OK, I skimmed some, but I want to interject the same thought I offer to the conservatives who think all liberals should be killed because they are the enemy: as far off track as the Republicans are now, our system is predicated on more than one party. The system needs both sides to have a “loyal opposition”. (Yes, I know the conservatives are cheating every chance they get). I still think, in the end, we do better with the high road and being a stark contrast to Trumper BS. In real life, I try to pity stupid and afraid people - they can’t help being stupid, it’s not like they chose it.\* Ignorance\* is a choice, but social psych will tell you that environment has a huge impact upon our opinions. Who knows what my beliefs would be, were I born of conservative parents in Ft. Worth, instead of liberal parents on the Coast? Maybe we need two parties. That doesn’t mean the Republicans should be allowed to be one of them. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25747 "2018-09-22T18:46:17Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … > Yes, there were some wingnut groups that gained strength. But to really be a John Bircher, one had to read the _Blue Book_, or _None Dare Call It Treason_ or _A Choice, Not An Echo_. Read a book! Can you imagine how weak a movement the Fox-Trump voting bloc would be if only book readers were invited? :smack: Oh, that’s hilarious! Start with the Illiteratus-in-Chief. > [@](#): > > … > Fox news may rely on existing stupidity, but it steers and unifies the stupid. The housewives enraged by chem-trails, the workers enraged by not having a union, the workers enraged _because_ of their union, workers who wish their income were high enough to pay income taxes, workers enraged by how high their taxes are, those enraged Obama is half-white, those enraged he’s half-black, those enraged by pussy grabbers, those enraged they can’t grab any pussy … they all come together under the Fox-GOP umbrella. _ **They all agree something’s wrong.** _ What it _is_ that’s wrong hardly matters. > > For all I know the average American may be smarter now than at any time in the past! But mass media — cable news and Internet — have made the average vote far stupider than it’s ever been. QFT. Some here may be too young to remember a time when you didn’t know everything everyone was thinking the instant they thought it. You read the newspaper twice (or more) per day and caught the major news stories in a half-hour broadcast at dinnertime. Local news at 10 or 11. No internet. During the first Gulf War (1990-ish), CNN started broadcasting 24/7. That changed reporting forever. Now TV news had to get there first. And later with the internet, anyone could scoop any news media source. Truth? Who needs it? Critical thinking? Screw it! We need viewers to make our advertisers happy. There are media sources with integrity–frankly, I believe most mainstream media sources strive to report the facts. Fox is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25748 "2018-09-22T20:00:55Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > In all seriousness, I’m glad that you have not until recently had to have contact with open racists, given that historically, open, endemic racism was an integral part of the American experience for most parts of the country until at least the late 1970s. Just one example, amongst many: from 1974 to 1981 I worked for a railroad in my home city in Pennsylvania. Although the city’s population at the time was about 30% non-white, out of about 500 employees of that railroad, only two were non-white (and no women at all, of course). I vividly recall one union meeting where a written request for a donation to the NAACP came up for discussion. The meeting chair theatrically crumpled up the request, to audible snickers from his audience. > > I guess what I’m saying is that while there is still some ways to go there has been serious improvement in that situation in the past couple decades, and that I am compelled to believe Trump and his ilk, odious as they are, are a last gasp of the old reactionary racism, and that, anything short of suspension of the electoral process, we will soon be rid of them. I work for a major US railroad in upstate NY, it’s still close to that way today. The only real difference today is that you can get your foot in the door if your not white. In the 70’s you could not even do that. I work out of one of the biggest rail terminals in the country and I’m one of the few black people that work there. It’s about 98% white and they let you know everyday you are not welcome. Forget about any other minority, there aren’t any. The majority are Trump supporters, I’d say about 90%, even though the so-called tax cuts will hurt us railroaders. They actually don’t believe that they won’t be able to itemize deductions and write off things this year like we were able to do in the past. I actually think they don’t even care if it hurts them, as long as hurts black people more. This country is in a bad place, and I don’t expect the mid terms to change this. This country elected Donald Trump as president, and judging by my co-workers is proud of it. The US is already done. There is no coming back from this. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25749 "2018-09-22T20:08:42Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “I’m not calling you a liar but…” Wait, is that Asshole for “I disagree with you”? You think I’m lying about what I think? > > And you really find it hard to believe that people here don’t build and change their opinions based on what they read here, especially from posters they know and trust? There’s no “blind listening,” we have usernames. Why express opinions and debate if we don’t think others will believe us or change their opinion? You telling me we’re not supposed to “believe other posters?” Then why are you here if you don’t “believe” anyone? No, honey, asshole for “I disagree with you” is “Shut up”. No, I do not believe people here change their minds based on pit threads. “GD”? Maybe. “IMHO”? Probably. A thread named “A Clusterfuck in the Making”? No, I don’t think anyone came into this thread with an open mind, willing to be persuaded to a new outlook, or, if they did, they would be persuaded by someone going off about re-education camps. Maybe I just have a higher opinion of people than you. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25750 "2018-09-22T20:20:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > he imbedded and became friends with many Hells Angles in the '60’s. Man, those guys can be so obtuse! sorry ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25751 "2018-09-22T20:20:56Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > In all seriousness, I’m glad that you have not until recently had to have contact with open racists, … Not no contact at all, I didn’t live in Erewhon, but there was no one I had to associate with; I could just walk away. Now, people say shamelessly bigoted things about people of color, LGBTetc., and women, right in public, in front me. Things that my shamelessly bigoted parent would have knocked me silly for saying. Ah, whatever, get off my lawn, right? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25752 "2018-09-22T20:21:44Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’m reading Hunter Thompsons book Hells Angels right now. In a nut shell, he imbedded and became friends with many Hells Angles in the '60’s. They knew he was writing about them. It was a love hate relationship, which in it self sort of describes the HA’s. > > Stay with me here. > > In the 60’s, the HA’s saw themselves as righteous losers. And if ANYONE dared to question, contradict or challenge them, the whole group would and MUST attack as one. No questions asked. It was literally in the code (yep, they actually had a written code) of the Hell’s Angels that if one Angel got in a fight, the entire group MUST defend him with fists and broken beer bottles. No questions asked. This is one if not the main reason they where (are?) so frightening. Try to arrest one Angel and you WILL have 20 guys come at you. > > A tribe. > > This is what we are seeing from the Republican Party today. It’s really a hive mind of desperation. And oddly, the republican party comes from completely two different sides of the tracks. Those that have and want to keep their status, and those that have nothing. Two groups that would not normally give each other the time of day are actually supporting ideals that will ultimately bring them all down. Insightful post (no snark intended – I’m serious). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25753 "2018-09-22T20:33:24Z")
> [@j666](#): > > No, honey, asshole for “I disagree with you” is “Shut up”. Well it seems you would know. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25754 "2018-09-22T20:55:16Z")
**Asahi** is extremely annoying with their pessimism, but you’re the one, **Happy Lendervedder** , who I saw bringing up a revolution. **Asahi** is just resigned to everything being horrible. They’re clearly depressed from everything that’s going on, and no longer have any hope. I see no sign they think even a revolution is possible. They are the guy watching the world as they know ending and are resigned to their fate, laughing at those who struggle in vain to stop their inevitable demise. No amount of lashing out at them is going to take them out of their despair. Only hope can beat despair. The only thing I fear with asahi is that their pessimism can spread. Fortunately, no one here seems to be letting it. We’re committed to keep on fighting, to keep on going. Asahi can just come here and vent, and it doesn’t really affect any of us. If it gets you down, I suggest putting them on ignore. Or, if you really want a challenge, try to provide hope to the hopeless. Personally, I’m thinking actually fighting and winning provides far more hope than anything I could provide without being a licensed psychologist. (Granted, I may have missed something asahi said since I had to put them on ignore for my own mental health. But it sure seems like you’re the one who suggests revolution based on the posts I saw quoted.) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25755 "2018-09-22T20:58:11Z")
…batshit fucking crazy conspiracy theory numbnuts. > **[Trump HUD Secretary Ben Carson claims Kavanaugh allegations are part of a...](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/hud-secretary-ben-carson-kavanaugh-allegation-is-part-of-a-socialist-plot.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar)** > > The former neurosurgeon turned housing secretary also warned that sexual assault allegations like the one made against Trump's Supreme Court nominee could discourage "good people" from serving in government. > [@](#): > > “If you really understand the big picture of what’s going on, then what’s going on with Kavanaugh will make perfectly good sense to you,” Carson said at the annual Values Voter Summit in Washington. “There’ve been people in this country for a very long time, going all the way back to the Fabians, people who’ve wanted to fundamentally change this country.” > > The term “Fabians” refers to the Fabian Society, a British socialist organization that was founded in the 19th century, and which today functions as part of the UK’s Labour Party. An American chapter of the Fabian society was established in 1895 in Boston, but it is no longer active in the United States. To which the Fabian Society responded with: > [@Fabian Society](#): > > Thanks for the free publicity, Ben. > > To join the Fabian Society click… > > > Christina Wilkie @christinawilkie ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25756 "2018-09-22T21:10:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > **Asahi** is extremely annoying with their pessimism, but you’re the one, **Happy Lendervedder** , who I saw bringing up a revolution. **Asahi** is just resigned to everything being horrible. They’re clearly depressed from everything that’s going on, and no longer have any hope. I see no sign they think even a revolution is possible. They are the guy watching the world as they know ending and are resigned to their fate, laughing at those who struggle in vain to stop their inevitable demise. > > No amount of lashing out at them is going to take them out of their despair. Only hope can beat despair. > > The only thing I fear with asahi is that their pessimism can spread. Fortunately, no one here seems to be letting it. We’re committed to keep on fighting, to keep on going. Asahi can just come here and vent, and it doesn’t really affect any of us. > > If it gets you down, I suggest putting them on ignore. Or, if you really want a challenge, try to provide hope to the hopeless. Personally, I’m thinking actually fighting and winning provides far more hope than anything I could provide without being a licensed psychologist. > > (Granted, I may have missed something asahi said since I had to put them on ignore for my own mental health. But it sure seems like you’re the one who suggests revolution based on the posts I saw quoted.) For anyone wondering about the (to many of us) unusual use of “they/them” in this post, listen to this – [Singular they pronoun: John McWhorter says it's time to embrace it.](http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2018/08/singular_they_pronoun_john_mcwhorter_says_it_s_time_to_embrace_it.html) (I had no idea about this, until this week!). ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25757 "2018-09-22T21:50:25Z")
> [@](#): > > “If you really understand the big picture of what’s going on, then what’s going on with Kavanaugh will make perfectly good sense to you,” Carson said at the annual Values Voter Summit in Washington. “There’ve been people in this country for a very long time, going all the way back to the Fabians, people who’ve wanted to fundamentally change this country.” “…and look at the great fundamental changes we’ve had in the past hundred years! Way to go guys!” wait - that’s actually not how that quote ends, is it? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25758 "2018-09-22T22:05:44Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Insightful post (no snark intended – I’m serious). Thanks. Hunter was, himself, a bit of a nut job. I think that’s how he got close to these guys. Very interesting book. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25759 "2018-09-22T22:29:31Z")
We can’t call Republicans Nazis – even if that’s what they are? > **[Homeland Security staffer with white nationalist ties attended White House...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-staffer-with-white-nationalist-ties-attended-white-house-policy-meetings/2018/08/30/7fcb0212-abab-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a170f434cad0)** > > Ian M. Smith resigned Tuesday after he was confronted with emails linking him to racist groups. > **[Holocaust denier is officially the GOP nominee in Chicago-area House race |...](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/holocaust-denier-gop-illinois-third-district/index.html)** > > A Holocaust denier is now officially the Republican nominee in a Chicago-area House race after running unopposed in Tuesday's primary. And even if they don’t self-identify, let’s be honest: isn’t this the appeal of the modern Republican party? Isn’t the appeal that they, the Trumpists, are the only ones who actually come out and ban immigration of people based on their religion or based on the fact that they come from a “shit hole” country? Nah, sorry, Sad Lender, the time for trying to talk sense into these animals is over with. When puppies shit on the carpet, you gotta rub their noses in it. I don’t support violence, but when the economy collapses and the country reaches a consensus that it’s the right wing’s fault, then there will have to be a reckoning. And there will be a need for emergency legislation that requires the complete capitulation of Trumpists. We will need a period of de-Trumpification, just as there was de-Nazification in Germany. The great flaw of this country is not that it failed to compromise, it’s that it compromised before ever achieving a full reckoning with its racist cultural identity. You don’t know this because you were raised in Michigan; I grew up a 30 minute car ride from places where blacks were mass murdered, and to this day there are placards that defend the white rebellion (mass murder) as northern “misrule”. Trust me: there is no compromising or reasoning with these “people” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25760 "2018-09-22T22:34:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We can’t call Republicans Nazis – even if that’s what they are? Point of order, some are. That does not mean that all Republicans are. We can however point out that currently most Republicans in power are being too simpatico with the Fascists, Neo-Fascists and confederate defenders. Most moderate Republicans are in denial of how corrosive is the growing corruption they are embracing by kowtowing to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25761 "2018-09-22T22:35:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We can’t call Republicans Nazis – even if that’s what they are? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-staffer-with-white-nationalist-ties-attended-white-house-policy-meetings/2018/08/30/7fcb0212-abab-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c\_story.html?noredirect=on&utm\_term=.a170f434cad0](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-staffer-with-white-nationalist-ties-attended-white-house-policy-meetings/2018/08/30/7fcb0212-abab-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a170f434cad0) > > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/holocaust-denier-gop-illinois-third-district/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/holocaust-denier-gop-illinois-third-district/index.html) > > And even if they don’t self-identify, let’s be honest: isn’t this the appeal of the modern Republican party? Isn’t the appeal that they, the Trumpists, are the only ones who actually come out and ban immigration of people based on their religion or based on the fact that they come from a “shit hole” country? > > Nah, sorry, Sad Lender, the time for trying to talk sense into these animals is over with. When puppies shit on the carpet, you gotta rub their noses in it. Every time somebody calls their fellow people “animals”, I opt out. That’s fascist nomenclature. What’s next, “Untermenschen”? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25762 "2018-09-22T22:50:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We can’t call Republicans Nazis – even if that’s what they are? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-staffer-with-white-nationalist-ties-attended-white-house-policy-meetings/2018/08/30/7fcb0212-abab-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c\_story.html?noredirect=on&utm\_term=.a170f434cad0](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-staffer-with-white-nationalist-ties-attended-white-house-policy-meetings/2018/08/30/7fcb0212-abab-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a170f434cad0) > > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/holocaust-denier-gop-illinois-third-district/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/holocaust-denier-gop-illinois-third-district/index.html) > > And even if they don’t self-identify, let’s be honest: isn’t this the appeal of the modern Republican party? Isn’t the appeal that they, the Trumpists, are the only ones who actually come out and ban immigration of people based on their religion or based on the fact that they come from a “shit hole” country? > > Nah, sorry, Sad Lender, the time for trying to talk sense into these animals is over with. When puppies shit on the carpet, you gotta rub their noses in it. > > I don’t support violence, but when the economy collapses and the country reaches a consensus that it’s the right wing’s fault, then there will have to be a reckoning. And there will be a need for emergency legislation that requires the complete capitulation of Trumpists. We will need a period of de-Trumpification, just as there was de-Nazification in Germany. > > The great flaw of this country is not that it failed to compromise, it’s that it compromised before ever achieving a full reckoning with its racist cultural identity. You don’t know this because you were raised in Michigan; I grew up a 30 minute car ride from places where blacks were mass murdered, and to this day there are placards that defend the white rebellion (mass murder) as northern “misrule”. Trust me: there is no compromising or reasoning with these “people” “Sad Lender?” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25763 "2018-09-22T22:55:11Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Every time somebody calls their fellow people “animals”, I opt out. That’s fascist nomenclature. What’s next, “Untermenschen”? Ubertier? ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25764 "2018-09-22T23:02:01Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Sad Lender?” Sad! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1287) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1289)