# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1289
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25765 "2018-09-22T23:26:21Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Sad! “He was quite the Pearl Jam fan who would happily lend, but tariffs hit him too hard. SAD!” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25766 "2018-09-22T23:32:53Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > “He was quite the Pearl Jam fan who would happily lend, but tariffs hit him too hard. SAD!” “But he was better off than that Theban guy who messed with his nephew/brother-in-law—that guy was LOW. Many people are saying it!” [admittedly a bit of a stretch] ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25767 "2018-09-22T23:40:36Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Ubertier? Could be Trump’s second name. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25768 "2018-09-22T23:50:57Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Every time somebody calls their fellow people “animals”, I opt out. That’s fascist nomenclature. What’s next, “Untermenschen”? Calling fascists animals is the opposite of fascism. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25769 "2018-09-23T00:05:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Calling fascists animals is the opposite of fascism. See, that’s why I fear mankind. Everybody everywhere has the right to go nuts about Trump, his administration is a colossal threat to democracy everywhere in the world, but adapting the tactics of dehumanizing the enemy the fascists so much have favored everywhere and everytime? That’s falling for them. So you say that 60 millions of your fellow Americans are animals? What should the rest of America do with them? Keep them in zoos? Re-educate them? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25770 "2018-09-23T00:46:24Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’m reading Hunter Thompsons book Hells Angels right now. In a nut shell, he imbedded and became friends with many Hells Angles in the '60’s. They knew he was writing about them. It was a love hate relationship, which in it self sort of describes the HA’s. > > Stay with me here. > > In the 60’s, the HA’s saw themselves as righteous losers. And if ANYONE dared to question, contradict or challenge them, the whole group would and MUST attack as one. No questions asked. It was literally in the code (yep, they actually had a written code) of the Hell’s Angels that if one Angel got in a fight, the entire group MUST defend him with fists and broken beer bottles. No questions asked. This is one if not the main reason they where (are?) so frightening. Try to arrest one Angel and you WILL have 20 guys come at you. > > A tribe. > > This is what we are seeing from the Republican Party today. It’s really a hive mind of desperation. And oddly, the republican party comes from completely two different sides of the tracks. Those that have and want to keep their status, and those that have nothing. Two groups that would not normally give each other the time of day are actually supporting ideals that will ultimately bring them all down. I believe I saw this article posted here on the Dope, maybe even this thread: **This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.** In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar? [https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/](https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/) ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25771 "2018-09-23T01:37:30Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > So you say that 60 millions of your fellow Americans are animals? What should the rest of America do with them? Keep them in zoos? Re-educate them? Soylent Trump Tongue FIRMLY in cheek ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25772 "2018-09-23T01:55:03Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Soylent Trump > Tongue FIRMLY in cheek Well, bon appetit then! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25773 "2018-09-23T02:00:45Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > So you say that 60 millions of your fellow Americans are animals? What should the rest of America do with them? Keep them in zoos? Re-educate them? Strip them of the right to vote for life, perhaps with an appeals process if they can prove they’ve reeducated themselves to the standard expected of a citizen of a functioning democracy. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25774 "2018-09-23T02:01:33Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > So you say that 60 millions of your fellow Americans are animals? What should the rest of America do with them? Keep them in zoos? Re-educate them? In a way, yes. People who have anti-human ideas need to be dominated, enslaved, and reeducated until they can be somehow rehabilitated. But fear not, for I am gracious and benevolent enough to know that, ultimately, humans, no matter how depraved and warped their thinking might be, are capable of self-reform - with some supervision and guidance of course. The Germans are different today because they were crushed, dominated, and forced to understand and accept how vile they had behaved before the end of WWII. The Confederates of the American South, by contrast, were allowed to live the lie of a “lost cause” and we’ve been living with that lie’s legacy ever since. And the thing is, you can’t just limit the rehabilitation to the so-called “leadership”; it’s the citizens who empower them. The citizens cheer them on. They’re not casual bystanders; they’re participants in fascism. They’re ignorant, but at the same time, they know what they’re voting for. They just don’t believe that they’ll have to suffer consequences for their wicked beliefs or votes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25775 "2018-09-23T02:06:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Strip them of the right to vote for life, perhaps with an appeals process if they can prove they’ve reeducated themselves to the standard expected of a citizen of a functioning democracy. Yes, basically this. The Republicans of today are supporting ideas that are lethal to American democracy and the existence of the American state. We can no longer delude ourselves into believing that their continued unfettered involvement in our society and politics is somehow a part of the normal fabric that can be auto-corrected in the next election cycle. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25776 "2018-09-23T02:10:23Z")
So to fight the Nazis we should become Nazis? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25777 "2018-09-23T02:15:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > In a way, yes. > > People who have anti-human ideas need to be dominated, enslaved, and reeducated until they can be somehow rehabilitated. But fear not, for I am gracious and benevolent enough to know that, ultimately, humans, no matter how depraved and warped their thinking might be, are capable of self-reform - with some supervision and guidance of course. > > The Germans are different today because they were crushed, dominated, and forced to understand and accept how vile they had behaved before the end of WWII. The Confederates of the American South, by contrast, were allowed to live the lie of a “lost cause” and we’ve been living with that lie’s legacy ever since. And the thing is, you can’t just limit the rehabilitation to the so-called “leadership”; it’s the citizens who empower them. The citizens cheer them on. They’re not casual bystanders; they’re participants in fascism. They’re ignorant, but at the same time, they know what they’re voting for. They just don’t believe that they’ll have to suffer consequences for their wicked beliefs or votes. Sigh…I once wrote a long piece debunking the myth of simple de-nazification and re-education of the Germans after the war I’ll just [link to here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19752988&postcount=37). And by the way, have you heard of the[AfD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany)? See how magically beautiful this turned out here? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25778 "2018-09-23T02:26:46Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Sigh…I once wrote a long piece debunking the myth of simple de-nazification and re-education of the Germans after the war I’ll just [link to here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19752988&postcount=37). And by the way, have you heard of the[AfD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany)? See how magically beautiful this turned out here? I wasn’t saying it was magical; I’m fully aware that it probably took a generation after WWII’s end to be de-Nazified and that there have always been and always will be extremists. But there are differences between Germany and the American South, and even Japan. #reeducation ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25779 "2018-09-23T02:27:53Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > So to fight the Nazis we should become Nazis? Nope, just become more powerful than they are and use the power to dominate them and shape their attitudes and behavior. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25780 "2018-09-23T02:30:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Nope, just become more powerful than they are and use the power to dominate them and shape their attitudes and behavior. Yep, fascism in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25781 "2018-09-23T02:32:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Nope, just become more powerful than they are and use the power to dominate them and shape their attitudes and behavior. Now you’re just trolling - either that or you’re just as stupid as Clothahump and Starving Artist. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25782 "2018-09-23T02:43:21Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Now you’re just trolling - either that or you’re just as stupid as Clothahump and Starving Artist. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25783 "2018-09-23T03:00:35Z")
The good news is, republicans are going to slowly kill their own base (literally) by enacting their policies. No need to 'round ‘em up’ The Dems will get it back of course, and the trump morons will riot. Let 'em. That’s when you can lock them up. Gonna be expensive, but then they will lose their voting ability, and it’s easier to feed them. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/25784 "2018-09-23T04:15:38Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Yep, fascism in a nutshell. We’re talking about preserving democracy here, not enacting fascism. Republicans are _not_ good Americans with respectable differences of opinion. Republicans want the majority of the population to be literal slaves to the whims of the ultra-rich. Excluding them from.the democratic process is no more fascist than refusing to give al-Qaeda seats in the Electoral College. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1288) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1290)