# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1301
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26005 "2018-09-27T15:02:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > People need to remember that Trump isn’t some aberration. He’s part of the same party that gave us George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, Richard Nixon, Spiro Agnew, and Sarah Palin. You left out Reagan. Why did you leave out Reagan? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26006 "2018-09-27T15:47:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You left out Reagan. Why did you leave out Reagan? Reagan was articulate. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26007 "2018-09-27T15:57:26Z")
So was Nixon. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26008 "2018-09-27T18:27:23Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > So was Nixon. “I am not a crook.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26009 "2018-09-27T19:46:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “I am not a crook.” Nixon was a crook and a scoundrel… but he actually loved his country. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26010 "2018-09-27T20:56:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Nixon was a crook and a scoundrel… but he actually loved his country. Or at least was egomaniacal enough to equate himself with the country, Putin-style. Putin isn’t trying to rip off Russia because Russia is an extension of himself. Same with Nixon. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26011 "2018-09-27T21:36:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yeah, we’re on the path to a place where democracy doesn’t function and where the law is weaponized to go after political enemies. > > The frightening part is, I don’t think Trump is the worst of what’s yet to come. He’s the battering ram that’s tearing apart the front gates; the Christian warriors are the ones who are salivating at the chance to impose their will on the majority, and they don’t particularly care how it’s done, either. > > But the way that Kavanaugh’s accusers are being treated gives us a glimpse. A white Christian patriarchy that debases the roles of females, minorities, and the vulnerable among us in society. This whole spectacle is disgusting. It makes my skin crawl. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26012 "2018-09-27T21:46:30Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Or at least was egomaniacal enough to equate himself with the country, Putin-style. I don’t think Nixon equated himself with the country. I think he thought he was right, and that he could keep the country great while Democrats would make the country too socialist (and cost the plutocrats money). How is this different from Failing Donnie? Failing Donnie knows he’s committing crimes. For him, making suckers out of the rubes is one of his favourite games. He doesn’t give a damn about the country. To him, he _is_ the country. All he cares about is basking in the praise of his minions, and bullying others into doing his bidding. Nixon loved Nixon, and Nixon loved the United States. Failing Donnie loves Failing Donnie, and the country can fall to blazes as long as it doesn’t hurt him. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26013 "2018-09-27T22:09:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > He called the Kurdish reporter “Mr. Kurd” > > LOL Too bad the reporter wasn’t from Niger or Nigeria. > [@eschereal](#): > > it is a tesserfuckt Good one! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26014 "2018-09-28T01:51:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I don’t think Nixon equated himself with the country. I think he thought he was right, and that he could keep the country great while Democrats would make the country too socialist (and cost the plutocrats money). > > How is this different from Failing Donnie? Failing Donnie knows he’s committing crimes. For him, making suckers out of the rubes is one of his favourite games. He doesn’t give a damn about the country. To him, he _is_ the country. All he cares about is basking in the praise of his minions, and bullying others into doing his bidding. Nixon loved Nixon, and Nixon loved the United States. Failing Donnie loves Failing Donnie, and the country can fall to blazes as long as it doesn’t hurt him. People call me out for being pessimistic but they don’t understand why. The ‘why’ is that we’re just a stupid fucking country. Americans don’t know shit about history, geography, politics, economics. It hurts to write this, but it’s the truth. We don’t have a real democracy; it’s a half-baked, half-ass democracy. It’s a fake democracy. We think we have a democracy, but we really haven’t had one in a while, not necessarily because the Constitution changed, but because we changed. And the Bernistas are just as fucking stupid as the Trumpists. We’re just thicker than pig shit, and we can’t save ourselves from ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26015 "2018-09-28T02:06:56Z")
^ Aye. ETA: The GOP doesn’t care, either. They’re just gonna blame anything bad that happens on the Democrats (again). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26016 "2018-09-28T02:44:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … We think we have a democracy, but we really haven’t had one in a while … No. We started out as a sort of plutoligarchy, and that system has been in place with varying degrees of egalitaste for close on to a quarter millennium. We are not really even a democratic republic – our elections are basically sporting events that distract the public so that we mostly fail to notice the power-people-pick-pockets as largely facile issues dominate the news over various political tide shifts. It is ironic, really: we gained our freedom from an oppressive monarchy which, while still a monarchy, seems to have developed into a more democratic country relative to us. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26017 "2018-09-28T03:30:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No. We started out as a sort of plutoligarchy, and that system has been in place with varying degrees of egalitaste for close on to a quarter millennium. We are not really even a democratic republic – our elections are basically sporting events that distract the public so that we mostly fail to notice the power-people-pick-pockets as largely facile issues dominate the news over various political tide shifts. > > It is ironic, really: we gained our freedom from an oppressive monarchy which, while still a monarchy, seems to have developed into a more democratic country relative to us. If you overlook their libel and government secrets laws, and their cameras on every corner. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26018 "2018-09-28T05:35:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > If you overlook their libel and government secrets laws, and their cameras on every corner. Come on, you can do better than that. In the US, a libel case can be filed without much difficulty, and even if the plaintiff is going to lose, they can still inconvenience the defendant (or perhaps even ruin the defendant if the plaintiff has deep pockets); the difference is vanishing. The US is very protective of state secrets – look at the peril faced by Snowden and Assange, who would probably be dead without the kind of protection they have. And cameras on every corner? Come on, have you no clue what the US is like? Try finding a place off camera without going to the vacant hills of central Wyoming. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26019 "2018-09-28T05:42:38Z")
Earlier I mentioned I wished Kavanaugh all the success of Judge Crater. By now I think he can only wish he were Judge Crater. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26020 "2018-09-28T06:04:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > If you overlook their libel and government secrets laws, and their cameras on every corner. Don’t forget forcing men to submit to letting another person’s fingers up their rectum. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26021 "2018-09-28T08:25:39Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You left out Reagan. Why did you leave out Reagan? If I say _“Donald Trump, George W. Bush, and Richard Nixon were all terrible Presidents”_ then I put the Republicans in a difficult position to defend their party from. If I say _“Donald Trump, George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Richard Nixon were all terrible Presidents”_ then Republicans will say _“I’m going to just talk about Reagan and pretend the other three don’t exist.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26022 "2018-09-28T08:28:22Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > The GOP didn’t make him though. He was the same Trump before he took up politics. He’s an aberration given further Republican refinement, like a Roman Emperor turning Christian. Trump isn’t the same. He was just a loud-mouthed asshole with no real power. The GOP made him President. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26023 "2018-09-28T11:31:41Z")
John Fugelsang: The POTUS who hired a felon lawyer, a felon campaign chair, a felon foreign policy adviser, a felon deputy campaign manager, a felon natsec adviser, a two time alleged wife beater staff secretary, the most corrupt EPA boss ever, and Omarosa, assures you Brett Kavanaugh is spectacular. \*\* Kavanaugh certainly blew up in **spectacular** fashion yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26024 "2018-09-28T12:35:22Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > John Fugelsang: > > The POTUS who hired a felon lawyer, a felon campaign chair, a felon foreign policy adviser, a felon deputy campaign manager, a felon natsec adviser, a two time alleged wife beater staff secretary, the most corrupt EPA boss ever, and Omarosa, assures you Brett Kavanaugh is spectacular. > > \*\* > Kavanaugh certainly blew up in **spectacular** fashion yesterday. Brilliant [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1300) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1302)