# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1314
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26265 "2018-10-06T01:14:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You’re seeing this from a Canadian perspective. You don’t seem to understand that the Left is impotent here, and that we can only fetishize having such power. It doesn’t even slightly matter if my perspective into the American left has the wisdom of Solomon of the loutishness of Archie Bunker - you are tediously repeating yourself and contributing nothing. How many variations on “put them all in camps!” do you plan to use between now and November? Fifty? Sixty? You are not contributing to your cause, you are reducing it to background noise. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26266 "2018-10-06T01:16:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You’re seeing this from a Canadian perspective. You don’t seem to understand that the Left is impotent here, and that we can only fetishize having such power. Americans won’t even begin to think of handing over the country to anyone but a right wing kleptocrat until there is like 35% unemployment and more than half of households are in financial distress. > > You just don’t understand how dumb the neighbors to your southern border are, and there’s no saving us. Christ, didn’t this last trade war scare teach you all anything about how fucking insane we are? Okay, so what should _ **I** _ do? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26267 "2018-10-06T01:20:57Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It doesn’t even slightly matter if my perspective into the American left has the wisdom of Solomon of the loutishness of Archie Bunker - you are tediously repeating yourself and contributing nothing. How many variations on “put them all in camps!” do you plan to use between now and November? Fifty? Sixty? > > You are not contributing to your cause, you are reducing it to background noise. I grew up in this country. I’ve lived in its different regions. I know you think both sides are the same, but they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26268 "2018-10-06T01:27:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I grew up in this country. I’ve lived in its different regions. I know you think both sides are the same, but they aren’t. My God, you’re dumb. Of _course_ your Republicans are insane, I get inundated with news from your fucked-up pseudotheocracy insane asylum of a country, without even the benefit of losing anything in translation, but if every post I wrote was about how much of a fucked-up pseudotheocracy insane asylum of a country you have, don’t you think I’d soon be written off as repetitive and with nothing else to contribute? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26269 "2018-10-06T01:41:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > My God, you’re dumb. Of _course_ your Republicans are insane, I get inundated with news from your fucked-up pseudotheocracy insane asylum of a country, without even the benefit of losing anything in translation, but if every post I wrote was about how much of a fucked-up pseudotheocracy insane asylum of a country you have, don’t you think I’d soon be written off as repetitive and with nothing else to contribute? Yes, because you’re a Canuck. You ain’t one of us. You don’t understand how this works. I grew up in Shitkicker land. I know how these pigs think. You don’t have the ability to relate - just trust me when I tell you that. You did not grow up in a society that lived with the legacy of Jim Crow, of Reconstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26270 "2018-10-06T01:53:48Z")
Don 't flatter yourself or your sisterfucking kluxklanning hicktopia by presuming to have some kind of air of mystery about either of you. Dumbassery in all its shades is everywhere and the American flavour is about as exotic as ketchup-and-mayonnaise soup, served lukewarm. There’s literally nothing you can say about the ugly underbelly (and indeed in recent years the ugly _over_belly) of America that will shock or even surprise me, and you saying that same nothing over and over and over and over is why I’ve lost patience with you. Yes, America sucks and has for a very very long time and looks like it will for the immediate future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention in your last fifty posts. I look forward eagerly to your next fifty, I swear on the heart of the baby Jeebus. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26271 "2018-10-06T02:10:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Don 't flatter yourself or your sisterfucking kluxklanning hicktopia by presuming to have some kind of air of mystery about either of you. Dumbassery in all its shades is everywhere and the American flavour is about as exotic as ketchup-and-mayonnaise soup, served lukewarm. There’s literally nothing you can say about the ugly underbelly (and indeed in recent years the ugly _over_belly) of America that will shock or even surprise me, and you saying that same nothing over and over and over and over is why I’ve lost patience with you. Yes, America sucks and has for a very very long time and looks like it will for the immediate future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention in your last fifty posts. I look forward eagerly to your next fifty, I swear on the heart of the baby Jeebus. Heh. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26272 "2018-10-06T02:16:58Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > I believe I’ve linked to this before, but a good bit of the transition story at the USDA was previously published in **Vanity Fair** : [“Inside Trump’s Cruel Campaign Against the U.S.D.A.’s Scientists”](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/usda-food-stamps-school-lunch-trump-administration). It’s quite eye-opening. Being cruel is the name of his game. > **[For Trump supporters,'the cruelty is the point': Adam Serwer for The Atlantic](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/3/1801285/--The-Cruelty-Is-The-Point-Adam-Serwer-for-The-Atlantic)** > > When Donald Trump mocked Dr. Christine Blasey Ford at his rally last night in Mississippi, many of us felt something akin to a muted gasp of horror in our bodies. Just as we had become so benumbed—almost acclimated—to this President’s casual... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26273 "2018-10-06T02:45:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Don 't flatter yourself or your sisterfucking kluxklanning hicktopia by presuming to have some kind of air of mystery about either of you. Dumbassery in all its shades is everywhere and the American flavour is about as exotic as ketchup-and-mayonnaise soup, served lukewarm. There’s literally nothing you can say about the ugly underbelly (and indeed in recent years the ugly _over_belly) of America that will shock or even surprise me, and you saying that same nothing over and over and over and over is why I’ve lost patience with you. Yes, America sucks and has for a very very long time and looks like it will for the immediate future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention in your last fifty posts. I look forward eagerly to your next fifty, I swear on the heart of the baby Jeebus. I endorse this post. Canadians keeping it real. Canada \> American (brains) p.s. You need a white fetus enslaving a minority, like a black or Mexican. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26274 "2018-10-06T03:24:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We need a military strong man. > > He needs to be a military populist with center-left values. We need someone who has the respect of the military to keep the traitors in line, to make them fear the reformers. When his 8 years are up, he can give back the country to the civilians, like George Washington, and Ike Eisenhower. Nothing scientific, but ISTM based on my personal experience growing up as the son of an active duty Army officer and being career active duty enlisted myself, the political persuasions of the military members tended to be Republican for the enlisted and Democratic for the officers. I would’ve thought it would be the other way around, given that too many enlisted members require federal/state financial assistance to even feed their families. Interesting tidbit related to that is that my oldest brother, while he was a cadet, wrote a paper showing how the US military itself is a socialist institution. He showed the paper to me, but never showed it to our father. > [@asahi](#): > > Yes, because you’re a Canuck. You ain’t one of us. You don’t understand how this works. > > I grew up in Shitkicker land. I know how these pigs think. You don’t have the ability to relate - just trust me when I tell you that. You did not grow up in a society that lived with the legacy of Jim Crow, of Reconstruction. What? You don’t think Canada has shitkickers, etc., now, not to mention [prejudicial legislation in the not so distant past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment)? Or, [worse yet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Betty_Osborne), people getting away, literally, with [murder for years](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101070/). Anyway, the shitkickers in the US practically worship the past that included Jim Crow laws _precisely because_ that past included Jim Crow laws. And that’s why I refuse to call that generation “the greatest generation”. If they were so damn great, why did they institutionalize and perpetuate horrid racist policies and laws? ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26275 "2018-10-06T04:16:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You know, portable GPS devices have made great strides in recent years. > > Fertilizer and pickup technology, I admit, have somewhat plateaued. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26276 "2018-10-06T04:37:39Z")
I can understand someone with money being Republican. As I’ve moved up in tax bracket I wish I kept more of each increase instead of less. What I can’t understand is how it’s the dirt poor, can’t buy dirt unless it’s on sale, don’t have a pot to piss in poor people that are the most fervent Trump supporters. And they don’t even care that nothing he does will actually help them. They’d rather stay poor if it means they can stay racist. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26277 "2018-10-06T04:39:08Z")
p.s. to Post #26258: My brother was a cadet at West Point. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26278 "2018-10-06T04:43:16Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > They’d rather stay poor if it means they can stay racist. Or something. They’re fine with living in a cardboard box, as long as someone _else_ doesn’t have a box. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26279 "2018-10-06T04:52:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > They’re fine with living in a cardboard box, as long as someone _else_ doesn’t have a box. Ayup. A frequent poster at a blog I follow, Davis X. Machina, formulates it thus (not quite a direct quote, but close): They would volunteer to live with their families in a cardboard box under a bridge, cooking sparrows on an old curtain rod, as long as the black family in the next cardboard box didn’t have a sparrow or a curtain rod to cook it on. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26280 "2018-10-06T05:03:02Z")
What’s up with this Manchin fuck? Is he a Republican mole? Or is it just a case of standard inbred West Virginians have no opposable thumbs? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26281 "2018-10-06T05:03:20Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I can understand someone with money being Republican. As I’ve moved up in tax bracket I wish I kept more of each increase instead of less. > > What I can’t understand is how it’s the dirt poor, can’t buy dirt unless it’s on sale, don’t have a pot to piss in poor people that are the most fervent Trump supporters. > And they don’t even care that nothing he does will actually help them. > > **They’d rather stay poor if it means they can stay racist.** Or something. _Bolding above mine_. Did you see _Mississippi Burning_? Remember that conversation between the FBI agent and the Black sharecropper about the value of the Black sharecropper’s land compared to the land of his neighbor, the white sharecropper? Black Sharecropper: Do you know my land is worth more than his, even though we have the same amount of land and grow the same crops? Agent Ward: Why is that? Black Sharecropper: I don’t live next to a n~." (Laughs.) Yep, that’s pretty much it. All the dirt poor people have in some parts is what they were born with: their race. And there’s one way to make themselves really feel a hell of a lot better, I mean feel really damn good, about that: abuse those of other races. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26282 "2018-10-06T13:53:20Z")
I recall a laid of miner saying, “I voted for him because he said we’d bring coal back.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26283 "2018-10-06T14:58:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I recall a laid of miner saying, “I voted for him because he said we’d bring coal back.” And the miner _believed him?_ :eek: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26284 "2018-10-06T15:11:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > And the miner _believed him?_ :eek: :smack: Enough to vote for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1313) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1315)